Atlantic Region XC 2008

By dominate I did not mean sweep 1-2-3. I just meant they would be by far the best 1-2-3 of all the teams. With that said Schaffhouser raced much better at SPAC than SUNYAC, IMO.

You agree with me on Platts 4th but not SLU's top 3 being the best 1-2-3 in the meet? I thought Plattsburgh taking 4th was the bigger surprise. Jeesh

Wanna compare individuals?

Pavlus

McGrath

Nadolski

Palen

Schaffhouser

Hulton

Iafrati

Luddington

3 in the top 8 for SLU.

Maybe their top 3 won't propel them to first. I know it is a long shot, but I just like to get dialogue going. On top of that, is it impossible? I don't think so.

Yernye ran SUNYAC's, for an obvious Plattsburgh fan (blake), check your facts.

Yes, let's look at the week by week, head to head meetings of IC and Plattsburgh:

@ Pre-regional (9/27/08)

Ithaca 114

Pburg 114

@ Hamilton (10/11/08

Pburg 55

Ithaca JV Team 88

@ RPI (10/25/08)

Ithaca 122

Pburg 139

They tied in September, Pburg got by Ithaca's B team in early October, and Ithaca won head to head at SPAC.

Ithaca may lose to Plattsburgh at regionals. It's a possibility. But so far Ithaca has stood up to the challenge. I guess I don't understand the mythical "Plattsburgh always runs out of their minds at regionals" meme.

I don't think they run out of their minds, but I do think they peak well. I also think you are overlooking the 27 flat performance by Ben Jackson at SPAC. Plattsburgh's BEST day, is better than Ithaca's. They just haven't raced on Plattsburgh's best day yet. Will regionals be it? Who knows....

Is Plattsburgh or Ithaca's best day better than TCNJ, hard to tell, but I think a bunch of people who like to

VOTE FOR CHANGE!!!

Individual Women

Palen

Pavlus

Iafrati

Nadolski

McGrath

Schaffhouser

Hulton

Smith

Brunetto

Hunt

*note on the team side of things, I can definitely see TCNJ bumping Ithaca but I honestly think that P-Burghs women are better than both of them.

Who else will be at the pre-regional party.

we need to rally here....

I agree though wss getting a dialogue going is fun, after all, predictions dont mean squat once the race happens.

So for the men

Team

Cortland

NYU

Geneseo

SLU

Ithaca

Kosgei

DuBois

Nally

Henry

Heymann

Schneider

Wager

Ramsey

Williams

Maher

Really? you have williams behind henry and wager, he just beat both of them at SUNYAC's. He definitely fell off a little at then end with the top three getting away from him in the last 800, but no one was catching him there either. Beck has williams running awesome this year, along with the rest of the Fredonia men's team. I am sure he will have all of them ready to race come regionals. you are correct he will be top ten, but I see him more around 5 or 6.

MEN

Cortland - No one can touch them

NYU - Great showing at the UAAs

SLU - Home course advantage and a strong team

Geneseo - Ok showing at SUNYACs but still a strong team

Plattsburgh - Good team lead by a strong #1 guy, Yerne at regionals?

TCNJ - Good showing at their confrence meet

Ithaca - Good 1,2 punch a little weak after that

Plattsburgh,TCNJ,Ithaca are to close together to tell whats going to happen

INDIV

Kosgei

Nally

Dubois

Heymann

Henry

Ramsey

Wager

Williams

So I’m going to guess that you run for Fredonia. Williams is having a great year but I think when it comes to Regionals both Henry and Wager will beat him. I won’t disagree with you though that Beck has done what Swanson couldn’t. However the part of your post where you said that Beck has the rest of Fredonia’s team running awesome I would have to disagree with you. Williams and Novaro (who is he?) are the only ones running well. Anyone who was at the SUNYAC meet could see that the rest of the Fredonia team didn’t run as well as they probably could have. I see Fredonia with an 9th or 10th place finish at best

ACHIEVE!

Have we forgotten about Guerruiro of TCNJ? Back to Back All-American? He is a lock for top five. He'll get beat by Kosgei for sure, after that, he is good enough to run with Scheinder, Nally and Debois in my opinion.

If you look at the week by week results of all the teams its definitely feasible that Plattsburgh beats Ithaca. Thats even without Yernye running. (injury?) While I can see Plattsburgh getting past Ithaca TCNJ on the other hand is always hard to gauge. They have that ability to step up to another level at the regional meet.

ghostofasher wrote:

Yernye ran SUNYAC's, for an obvious Plattsburgh fan (blake), check your facts.

He was the 9 man on the team and you cannot run 9 men at regionals. Thats pretty elementary. I was aware he ran at SUNYACS I was also aware that he was just testing his leg to make sure it was ok. It wasn't. My facts are fine maybe you should check yours.

P.S. I would consider myself more of a Cortland fan than anything else.

sir douglas adams wrote:

Yes, let's look at the week by week, head to head meetings of IC and Plattsburgh:

@ Pre-regional (9/27/08)

Ithaca 114

Pburg 114

@ Hamilton (10/11/08

Pburg 55

Ithaca JV Team 88

@ RPI (10/25/08)

Ithaca 122

Pburg 139

They tied in September, Pburg got by Ithaca's B team in early October, and Ithaca won head to head at SPAC.

Ithaca may lose to Plattsburgh at regionals. It's a possibility. But so far Ithaca has stood up to the challenge. I guess I don't understand the mythical "Plattsburgh always runs out of their minds at regionals" meme.

I'm guessing you haven't actually looked at the Plattsburgh and Ithaca athletes running in those races. Did you just look at team results? Also at the regional meet its pretty common that teams with the front runners fair much better. I'll explain this for you. Mike Heymann from Plattsburgh is about half of a minute faster than Ithaca's top runner Drew Hodge. At SPAC this resulted in an additional 5 points added onto the 5 athletes in Ithaca's team. At a deeper meet like the regional it will result most likely around 30 points added onto the 5 Ithaca athletes behind Mike Heymann. That is why I said it was FEASIBLE for Plattsburgh to pull the "upset". The 17 points that Ithaca beat Plattsburgh by at SPAC is awful close, and at a meet like regionals Heymann alone will subtract close to 20 comparatively.

Why do people have such a hard-on for Plattsburgh in this thread? From reading these posts it's like they're the only team with a potential AA, they're the only team who knows how to peak, and they're the only team who hasn't run a meet at full-strength this year. They are golden gods for sure!

My former team is in no way competitive, but I think I'll just root against Plattsburgh...they've obviously got enough fanboys who can't get off their nuts.

Ok its Yernye not Yerne and to the post below the one I am replying to it Novara not Novaro and hes a transfer So. from Binghamton and both Seth and Eddie came from the section 6 power house Lake Shore High School....What Up!!!

Thanks for adding to the idiotness of the thread. If you plan on correcting people on the spelling of names, at least proofread your own message so you don't sound like a complete moron. But then again, somethings can't be helped.

ghostofblake wrote:

I'm guessing you haven't actually looked at the Plattsburgh and Ithaca athletes running in those races. Did you just look at team results? Also at the regional meet its pretty common that teams with the front runners fair much better. I'll explain this for you. Mike Heymann from Plattsburgh is about half of a minute faster than Ithaca's top runner Drew Hodge. At SPAC this resulted in an additional 5 points added onto the 5 athletes in Ithaca's team. At a deeper meet like the regional it will result most likely around 30 points added onto the 5 Ithaca athletes behind Mike Heymann. That is why I said it was FEASIBLE for Plattsburgh to pull the "upset". The 17 points that Ithaca beat Plattsburgh by at SPAC is awful close, and at a meet like regionals Heymann alone will subtract close to 20 comparatively.

You're right, a 17 point gap is really close...

Maybe you shouldn't make up words like "idiotness" so YOU don't sound like a complete moron. Then again some things cannot be helped.