what's going on with the scoring for this meet???
West side runners were third and are now 4th??? Looks like another poor race put on by the Road Runners.
what's going on with the scoring for this meet???
West side runners were third and are now 4th??? Looks like another poor race put on by the Road Runners.
Some runners were missed in the initial results. I know my Club, Warren Street, moved from 3 to 2 in 40+ because our No. 1 was not reported at first.
anti ringer rule kicking in. there still are more changes to come.
The race was fine. Read the web site -
Official team results in all divisions will be posted Tuesday, August 19.
The winner from WSX was a ringer, meaning he had not run a race as a member of WSX. I here NYRR is still investigating more illegal runners. So the results still my change. In my opinion, WSX is a shady club, who needs to be looked at more carefully in the future.
The tragedy in this race was not in NYRR, but in the obvious jealously of all the other NYC teams who can't get over their fear of the obviously-dominant Manhattan Track Club. All the other clubs tried to bring them down, but ultimately the Manhattan TC prevailed... almost.
best team in the city!
manhattan track club--11 under 28:20
westchester track club--13 under 28:20
west side track club-16 under 28:20 (if memory serves)
central park track club--30 under 28:20.
cptc has by far the best depth. and many more members beyond the first thirty were under thirty minutes.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAThis is the funniest post I have read in a long time.What is special about getting 30 guys under 28:20? Since when did we encourage mediocrity in volume?
jonesy. wrote:
manhattan track club--11 under 28:20
westchester track club--13 under 28:20
west side track club-16 under 28:20 (if memory serves)
central park track club--30 under 28:20.
cptc has by far the best depth. and many more members beyond the first thirty were under thirty minutes.
sweet wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
This is the funniest post I have read in a long time.
What is special about getting 30 guys under 28:20? Since when did we encourage mediocrity in volume?
jonesy. wrote:manhattan track club--11 under 28:20
westchester track club--13 under 28:20
west side track club-16 under 28:20 (if memory serves)
central park track club--30 under 28:20.
cptc has by far the best depth. and many more members beyond the first thirty were under thirty minutes.
POTD
The first non-African female, Lesley Higgins, ran 28:27. Are you suggesting that Lesley Higgins is the new standard that we are measuring the men in NYC against?
jonesy. wrote:
manhattan track club--11 under 28:20
westchester track club--13 under 28:20
west side track club-16 under 28:20 (if memory serves)
central park track club--30 under 28:20.
cptc has by far the best depth. and many more members beyond the first thirty were under thirty minutes.
Nice job by that first place Masters bloke doing 25:23!
Probably one of the fastest Masters times of the year.
Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with the MTC and actually compete for another team in NYC. I have no opinion personally about any of their guys, but as far as I can tell, they seem cool enough.
Anyway, Manhattan Track Club really is the best NYC running team. You can hate them all you want... or just hate Conto... but anyone who says otherwise is crazy. They keep their team small on purpose, but consistently perform well at any race they actually want to.
I'm not saying these guys are great in the USA scene, but from a NYC perspective, they are clearly the best. If you look at their website, they were running without their #1 guy and 3 of their guys had injuries this spring that kept them away from running for an extended period of time.
CPTC is definitely improving, though. They keep getting really good guys to join their team. They have a complete track team, and that is unusual and very cool.
That depends on how you define "best." Manhattan TC is clearly the best mostly-NYC based team on any given day they choose to all show. The best NYC and vicinity team on any given day, though, is Westchester, as proven by their overwhelming victory at the NYRR team champs. However, as far as a year-long team production, CPTC is the best, as they have the best showing over the span of the entire year, performing decent in every team points race, and participating in more USATF Club competitions and USATF national championships throughout the team. WTC can't even participate in USATF events, as I am pretty sure they couldn't string together a team of 5 Americans.
I don't disagree with most of that. To your first point, Westchester is by far the best. This is true. They are untouchable. Maybe a better way to put what I said would be to throw the word "amateur" in there. The Westchester guys (as far as I know this may not be true) run for a living, whereas every other club's guys work full time. So MTC is the best club of amateur athletes in NYC.
To your 2nd point... again, you're right on as far as year-long team production is concerned. However, I would argue that if MTC wanted to jump into any of those races with their real team, they would beat up on CPTC weekend after weekend (and similarly, Westchester would beat up on MTC). I don't think you would argue with that either... just throwing it out there. Conto could tell the guys to tempo every team points race and they would consistently beat CPTC. Interestingly, it seems that they just don't care about that very much.
I tend to agree with their philosophy... it doesn't make sense to race one or 2 times a month all year round at these road races... especially when you're in the midst of a track season or cross country season. If CPTC wants to get really good they need to specialize and periodize more, in my opinion, and not run so many of these NYRR Club Points races. The wins lose meaning since Westchester, MTC, and West Side rarely field teams of consequence at them.
However, CPTC has the depth and numbers to sit their top guys and still do well whereas MTC just doesn't have the numbers to do that. That is where they really excel and maybe why it does make sense to continue doing them.
Lesley Higgins qualified for the US Olympic trials in the 3000SC. Personally, I would be delighted to be able to be able to match her 5-mile time on the hilly CP lower loop.
Both the men's and women's running scene in New York have gotten tougher in the last five years.
Being able to run 28:20 (5:40 pace) on that course is a high standard of achievement even for the open group. Only 118 out of 766 male club runners did better. In a metropolitan area of 15+MM people, being among the best 150 distance runners makes you anything but mediocre.
nyrr has a great annual series of club races of varying distances and my club, wssac -- and i think people should disclose their affiliations on a thread like this -- makes an effort to be as competitive as possible. what's being a member of a club if you don't run a race when you're not in great shape because the club could use the points?
these races are an important part of the nyc racing community in which rivalries are created and inter-club friendships made. it's unfortunate that mtc doesn't deign to participate more regularly.
Yes, and then MTC talks trash about the one time that they do compete. The races are supposed to be about friendly competition. Why all the hate? Oh, I forgot, this is letsrun.com
Who cares about the nyrr points series. If I am trying to run specific races/peak at some point why would I want to ruin all my training by running 8k races every weekend? that is the stupidest thing ever. Learn how to properly train and then speak. No one reaches their potential racing every weekend and to be honest dominating people in silly races in the park every saturday morning doesn't sound to appealing, which is why all the teams show up for this race. I'm Sure Westchester and MTC have bigger goals than the pts series which is why they dont run all the races.
races every weekend? that would be stupid. that's not how it works.