Of course he's not clean. Only white Americans are clean, when are people gonna learn that?
Of course he's not clean. Only white Americans are clean, when are people gonna learn that?
Mrr82 wrote:
Lets see, indoors Borz ran the 800 5 times, the 1k twice, and the 400 once, a 4*800, and he DID run at world indoors in the 4*400 putting himself out there to potentially be tested. So please STFU and learn something. That gives him 10 races and he ran at worlds.
If you're going to take a hit at someone, please have the integrity to know what the hell you are talking about first. Coach D you are nothing but a stain on track and field
I'm not always a fan of what Mrr82 has to say. But he's right on and i'm right there with him on this one(maybe i'm coming around to him). It's one thing to speculate about someone's drug use, it's another to blantently make up lies about someone and post them on a board. Coach D, and Critter whatever should be banned from these boards. I'm almost tempted to go as far and agree with Mrr82 about them being put in Jail. It's basically straight up lying/slandering around Borz regardless of whether he's clean or innocent. Nothing they said was true.
Who is slandering whom? At least 2 coaches here are suspicious of the situation. I'm not normally one throwing out drug allegations, but you have a situation that would appear to involve athletes, coach(s), sample takers, and perhaps the Russian track federation in order to pull off what the IAAF caught them doing. In such a situation, you have to suspect anyone with unusual competition situations where they might not be tested for long periods of time. And at this time I have to suspect everone on the Russian team.
I think Mrr82 is fairly known to be something of an obsessive nut who doesn't know that much about the sport, and as usual, his facts are wrong here: Borz did not compete at indoor worlds this year. If the nut actually knew anything about the sport, he'd know that Borz said that he wasn't going to the indoor worlds (but Russian Championships--hmmm) to concentrate on the Olympics. He ran a couple of times indoors in Europe after the Russian Championships.
Coach D wrote:
I think Mrr82 is fairly known to be something of an obsessive nut who doesn't know that much about the sport, and as usual, his facts are wrong here: Borz did not compete at indoor worlds this year. If the nut actually knew anything about the sport, he'd know that Borz said that he wasn't going to the indoor worlds (but Russian Championships--hmmm) to concentrate on the Olympics. He ran a couple of times indoors in Europe after the Russian Championships.
Mrr82 proved you were a slanderous scum bag. It doesn't matter if people think he's innocent of guilty, Mrr82 wasn't arguing he was clean. He was arguing you made things up just to bash him, which were completely false.
Borz did indeed run worlds (i just checked Mrr82's facts). He ran on the 4*400 team that finished 6th. And he did race 10 times as Mrr82 stated.
You wrote
Borz raced once indoors and didn't run worlds. Both statements are completely false. Please go the hell away Coach D.
RUSSIAN track and field officials could face official sanctions and their athletics body deregistration as the International Olympic Committee demands answers about seven of its top female athletes allegedly manipulating urine samples.
The IAAF, athletics' world body, has suspended the women - six of whom were taking part in the Beijing Games - including the world's leading 800 and 1500 metres runner Yelena Soboleva and Athens 1500m silver medallist Tatyana Tomashova.
Runners Olga Yegorova, who had tested positive before the world titles to EPO but got off after problems in the drug-testing procedure, Yuliya Fomenko and Svetlana Cherkasova, former world hammer record-holder Gulfiya Khanafeyeva and world discus silver medallist Dariya Pishchalnikova were also banned.
The drugs shock came the same day as the announcement of positive tests from Romanian middle-distance runners Elena Antoci and Cristina Vasiloiu, who were found with erythropoietin in their samples. Another of their training partners, Liliana Popescu, was dropped from the Olympic team last month after failing a doping test.
The Russian tests have raised suspicions that some officials were involved in helping athletes manipulate their samples by providing "clean" urine, or had knowledge of the athletes' drug-taking activities.
The timing of the announcement, just days after the cut-off time to replace athletes, has further embarrassed Russian authorities.
Sobolova told the Russian newspaper Sport Express: "I was informed of this today. I totally disagree with this verdict as I have absolutely no reason to consider myself guilty. Naturally I will contest this. I'd like to apologise to the fans that we have ended up in this position, albeit through no guilt of our own."
The IAAF said the Russians had been under investigation for more than a year and an IOC-accredited laboratory had compared recent urine samples with others given more than 12 months ago using DNA comparisons. Testers had been suspicious of the urine given by the Russians since 2006 as it regularly appeared too pure.
"These rule violations were established following the deliberate storage of samples by the IAAF and reanalysis using comparative DNA techniques, and were the result of a specific investigation which was instigated and carried out by the IAAF for more than a year," the IAAF said in a statement.
While a sanctioning move is under way, Russian management's part will be a subject at an executive board meeting of the International Olympic Committee in Beijing today.
The Russian rowing body was forced to disband last year and hold new elections when the international body lost confidence in its leadership after seven positive drug tests from its rowers.
"To have seven track and field athletes test positive is putting that particular sport at risk," Australian Olympic Committee president and IOC member John Coates said.
"Certainly the executive board will look at it and if it's established there was some involvement of officials then that could constitute trafficking under the rules and they could face a life sanction."
IOC medical director Patrick Schamasch has rejected suggestions that food contamination in China could produce positive drug tests.
Chinese swimmer Ouyang Kunpeng recently claimed his positive for clenbuterol was a result of tainted food. But that was rejected by Chinese authorities and he was handed a lifetime ban.
Coach D wrote:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/latest-news/ioc-turns-spotlight-on-russian-officials/2008/08/01/1217097532412.html
Are you having trouble understanding? No one is saying they are innocent. Mrr82 was saying you are a lying piece of shit. Which you countered by saying he didn't know anything about the sport, yet he proved he knows a hell of a lot more then you do.
You then made a statement saying "if the nut knew anything about the sport, he would knnow borz said he wouldn't complete blah blah". Are you serious? I know many HUGE fans of the sport and many don't know that Borz said that. Why does knowing what Borz said have to do with your knowledge of the sport? Especially since the facts prove he did compete in the games. He didn't compete individually, but i don't think he ran the 4*400 saying "i hope we don't medal because i'll fail my drug test".
Mrr82 made you look like the fool you are. Please crawl into a hole and don't come out.
And you seem to be making excuses for the guy because he's white. Everybody from the IOC on down has reason to be pissed. It bothers me that you are not.
Typical Letrunners wrote:
And you seem to be making excuses for the guy because he's white. Everybody from the IOC on down has reason to be pissed. It bothers me that you are not.
I'm not saying i believe he's clean. I'm skeptical of almost all top athletes. But i will not stand for false statements that are made to slander someone. If some pathetic human being like Coach D or crittercoach come on here and post blantant lies, that deserves for them to be ousted off these boards for forever. If Borz is guilty he should be banned, but he should not be lied about. No athlete should be lied about to make "appear" more guilty then they are. That's what Coach D has done.
So i'm not sure what you are even bothered about?
People come on here all the time saying top athletes are taking drugs without any proof. Most of the athletes accused are black. Now, with HUGE proof about maybe the whole Russian Federation, you attack a couple of coaches who suspect an athlete who happens to be white. THERE IS REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS.
I'm going to call you a bigot.
Typical Letsrunners wrote:
People come on here all the time saying top athletes are taking drugs without any proof. Most of the athletes accused are black. Now, with HUGE proof about maybe the whole Russian Federation, you attack a couple of coaches who suspect an athlete who happens to be white. THERE IS REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS.
I'm going to call you a bigot.
No one is saying there isn't reason to be suspicious. It's being said you shouldn't flat out make things up. Coach D and Critter didn't just post "huge proof". They posted flat out lies. That's what pissed Mrr82 off. He even stated he wasn't saying he believed Borz was clean. Just that you shouldn't lie about things which is what Coach d and Crittercoach did. Lied.
The only thing I do know is he looks extra Russian in this pic.
I don't think Borz is clean, But i also think Mrr is right. Coach D and Critter Coach should not be allowed to post on these boards. They came on here and lied in an attempt to put someone down, that's wrong no matter the innocence of the person in question. If you want to state your opinion, do so. If you want to lie, go somewhere else. Bravo to Mrr82 for shutting those jerks up.
