Those numbers would be for the entire athletic department, presumably. OSU does one thing well as their basketball team, which is where the real money flows in via March Madness, was basically a flash in the pan for one year in the past decade.
Those numbers would be for the entire athletic department, presumably. OSU does one thing well as their basketball team, which is where the real money flows in via March Madness, was basically a flash in the pan for one year in the past decade.
silly old fossil wrote:
AZ State just dropped 3 mens sports (swimming, tennis, wrestling).
Kinda surprised I am the first to post this.....where are the ASU pansies?
They are on Letswim, letstennis, and letswrestle.
Those numbers are good, but not a good representation of current affairs. ASU, for example, has turned its mens basketball program around, its football team is creating quite a buzz with many sold out games, womens basketball has taken off, etc. I would like to see what their current numbers are.
Maybe, maybe not. No matter how well things are going today, if the program still had accrued huge debts thanks to a football program saddled with paying the current coach, his former contract buy-out, and the former coach's contract buy-out, then they're probably still in the red.
For a lot of schools, the end number for profit / loss depends on how much debt service they have for facilities.
Again, using my university as an example, we average about 30k per home football game, but we come out in the black, as we have zero debt service on our (aging) facilities.
Another university in our conference averages 90k+ for football, but have floated bonds on football stadium upgrades, a new basketball arena, new natatorium, etc.
EVeryone focuses on football / basketball salaries because it is flashy. The real culprit is the facilities arms race.
How long will it be before ASU announces a new basketball practice facility or Sun Devil Stadium upgrades? How much did the Cardinals moving out hurt their bottom line?
not so fast wrote:
Here's a thought...
Title 9 sucks ass!! It's time for Title 10. I'm a dummy and I figured this out... TAKE FOOTBALL OUT OF TITLE 9
Use all other sports to have equal scholarships.
Google "Title IX" and "Tower Amendment". Already been tried and rejected multiple times.
ASU is having a new state of the art practice facility for basketball built as I type this.
If you want to get mad at Love for anything, be mad at her for extending former football coach Dirk Koetter's contract and then firing him, requiring a buyout. Some of that money did come from private sources, but still, it didn't help perception. (QUOTE)
I am always curious about these mysterious "private sources". It is still $$$ down the drain.
chuckles the clown wrote:
ASU is having a new state of the art practice facility for basketball built as I type this.
Yaeh, see here:
http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/060407aaa.htmlhttp://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/05/13/20080513asucuts.htmlsilly old fossil wrote:
If you want to get mad at Love for anything, be mad at her for extending former football coach Dirk Koetter's contract and then firing him, requiring a buyout. Some of that money did come from private sources, but still, it didn't help perception. (QUOTE)
I am always curious about these mysterious "private sources". It is still $$$ down the drain.
Mysterious private sources? What's so mysterious? I assume ASU's athletic department, like most other bigtime D1 athletic programs, raises millions of dollars every year from alumni, rich business people, companies...
It's not football gate revenues that are keeping the athletic departments in the black, it's the guy who owns 10 car dealerships in town, and the fortune 500 CEO who has season tickets....
It's a shame to hear this. I know a kid on the ASU swim team who was a 2-time high school all-american & is just a Soph. I guess he'll either have to swim on his own or find a new school. Fortunately for him he's good enough that just about anyone will want him.
According the the East Valley Tribune, athletes' scholarships will be honored. The new football and basketball facilities are being funded from a separate source.
I think we need to go to the European model of club sports. The job of a college is supposed to be education. The O.J. Mayo situation at USC (one-and-done, USC ends up on probation) and the fact that the NCAA now allows football games to be scheduled throughout the week shows that the cart is way ahead of the horse.
Ghost of Ashenfelter wrote:
According the the East Valley Tribune, athletes' scholarships will be honored. The new football and basketball facilities are being funded from a separate source.
I think we need to go to the European model of club sports. The job of a college is supposed to be education. The O.J. Mayo situation at USC (one-and-done, USC ends up on probation) and the fact that the NCAA now allows football games to be scheduled throughout the week shows that the cart is way ahead of the horse.
Tuition will be covered, but not living expenses.
AD Lisa Love siad in AZ Republic that private donors are more willing to give to a tangible (an asset - an athletic facility), rather than an intangible (an athletic program). I guess paying off a football coach's contract is considered a tangible.
The existence of Title IX doesn't support your thesis because no women's sports make any money. In fact the school should play womens bb games outside in a parking lot so they can rent out the stadiums for money.
OSU has the largest budget, but to their credit, they also offer 35 Varsity sports. So, unlike every other school that gets over 100,000 attendance a game, they invest back into their student-athletes and provide opportunities!
what wnat what wrote:
OSU has the largest budget, but to their credit, they also offer 35 Varsity sports. So, unlike every other school that gets over 100,000 attendance a game, they invest back into their student-athletes and provide opportunities!
ASU just went from 23 down to 20 sports.
Breakdown: Men 8 Women 12
Of those 8, 3 are T&F related....what do you think gets cut next?
ASU won't touch baseball or golf....ever.
Why cut mens swimming but leave diving...what is that?
more party time for the athletes yeahhhhh
Title IX = a mess.
This is easy for me to say since I am already out of school, but I am almost at the point where I think the Ivy League model of no athletic scholarships would be good. Of course this has its own unintended consequences, but the positive it that it would get the money out of college sports. Right now you have AD's who think that they are padding their executive resumes by padding the money sports and cutting the "fat" of other sports.
Whatever happened to the concept of developing the whole person into a "Renaissance Man." I would like to see that brought back as well as a college education that actually means something. I can't tell you the b.s. I was "taught" in legitimate-sounding courses in college.
silly old fossil wrote:
ASU just went from 23 down to 20 sports.
Breakdown: Men 8 Women 12
Of those 8, 3 are T&F related....what do you think gets cut next?
ASU won't touch baseball or golf....ever.
Why cut mens swimming but leave diving...what is that?
NCAA D1 requires sponsorship of a minimum of 16 varsity sports aside from football. To balance out the football budget/scholarships, there will always be more women's sports than men's. The reason that t&f and xc are so appealing to football-crazed ADs is that they get to count one set of scholarships, one set of coaches, one set of facilities as 3 varsity sports. Add up baseball, golf, and diving at ASU and it'll be more than what's allocated for the three sports of xc, indoor t&f, and outdoor t&f. How many D1 track programs have what most would consider really nice facilities? At most places they operate with what appears to be stadiums and tracks that are remnants of Soviet rule, at best. In some places, though, there are cuts that hardly make sense, like with the xc and t&f programs getting the axe in the MAC and swimming getting the axe at ASU while diving survives.
Heres an article on how the cuts are eroding ASU's Olympic legacy.