Let's say someone runs 30 mpw with a "long run" of 5 miles.
Another runner does 30 mpw with a long run of 10 miles.
Both run the same number of days per week. Both do the same exact workouts. The only difference is that long run.
Will the guy doing the 10 mile long run have a faster 5k time than the other runner? If so, by how much?
What is this? A running related question that no one can answer??
The one with the 10 mile long run may not be as fast because he/she is less consistent than the other runner. Assuming that both have the exact same abilities. In both cases, though, I would say to run more mileage.
So, runner #2 is logging 20 miles in the 6 days, including workouts, around his long run?
Short answer. These runners will both suck.
the 10 mile long run guy will run 5 minutes faster than the 5 mile long run guy. /end thread
Kurious Kyle wrote:
What is this? A running related question that no one can answer??
You might want to give it more than 19 minutes at 7:30 in the morning.
Some people like to ask "If 100% identical runners do identical training except one does X and one does Y, how will their times differ in race Z?" These questions are impossible to answer, because the situation is so synthetic. Look at it this way. Many (if not all) top coaches incorporate a weekly long run into the schedules of distance runners because on average, it helps their racing. Obviously, some benefit more from a long run and some less. In extreme cases, some runners might see no benefit at all from a long run.
So, your answer is anywhere between a little and a lot.
Kurious Kyle wrote:
Let's say someone runs 30 mpw with a "long run" of 5 miles.
Another runner does 30 mpw with a long run of 10 miles.
Both run the same number of days per week. Both do the same exact workouts. The only difference is that long run.
Will the guy doing the 10 mile long run have a faster 5k time than the other runner? If so, by how much?
So one runner has a week of
5/2/5/3/10/0/5
and the other has a week of
5/5/5/5/5/0/5?
Probably doesn't make a big difference. Either way, it ain't enough.
fUrCeOsNhN wrote:
Kurious Kyle wrote:Let's say someone runs 30 mpw with a "long run" of 5 miles.
Another runner does 30 mpw with a long run of 10 miles.
Both run the same number of days per week. Both do the same exact workouts. The only difference is that long run.
Will the guy doing the 10 mile long run have a faster 5k time than the other runner? If so, by how much?
So one runner has a week of
5/2/5/3/10/0/5
and the other has a week of
5/5/5/5/5/0/5?
Probably doesn't make a big difference. Either way, it ain't enough.
That's interesting because some people say a long run is THE most important aspect of a running program. It seems if one runner is doing a long run that's twice as long as the other one, he should see be running much faster times.
fUrCeOsNhN wrote:
So one runner has a week of
5/2/5/3/10/0/5
and the other has a week of
5/5/5/5/5/0/5?
Probably doesn't make a big difference. Either way, it ain't enough.
I'd bet on the guy with the 10 mile long run and the mileage that's not the same EVERY DAY.
I could run a pretty good 5k, for me, on the 10 mi long run schedule.
The other schedule, all 5's, would lead (me) to staleness...
I'm not sure how many people say that the long run is the most important part of training for a 5k. For longer races, yes.
I run 30mpw and run the 5k in 17:15. How fast would I run if I did 50mpw.
stkfyu,k wrote:
I run 30mpw and run the 5k in 17:15. How fast would I run if I did 50mpw.
17:16
Kurious Kyle wrote:
That's interesting because some people say a long run is THE most important aspect of a running program. It seems if one runner is doing a long run that's twice as long as the other one, he should see be running much faster times.
It's most important...for marathoners. Issac Songok ran 12:52 with no single run over 60 minutes. For the 5k the most important training variables are Intervals, Tempos and Volume.
fUrCeOsNhN wrote:
It's most important...for marathoners. Issac Songok ran 12:52 with no single run over 60 minutes. For the 5k the most important training variables are Intervals, Tempos and Volume.
That's interesting you mention that. Daniels doesn't recommend a run longer than 90 min except for his marathon plans, so I guess we have to figure out what we really mean by a long run.