Most UNbreakable records on the books?

Lenny Leonard wrote:

Highschool - As for Chapa's 10K HSR, we've already seen Rupp beat that by over 15 seconds, and he was just out of HS.

Rupp was a year out of HS when he ran 28:15.

MOST BREAKABLE IS THE WORLD MENS 100 METERS, most unbreakable is HS record in Shot by Carter.

With all due respect to our current gentlemen, our club records are 28:04.42 for the 10k (Bill Rodgers), and 2:09:27 for the marathon (also Bill Rodgers). The 5k record is no less impressive at 13:37 (Alberto Salazar). With the current system of professional sponsorship, I feel confident in saying that these records will last as long as the GBTC lasts. Of course, I hope I'm wrong...

81-3.50 Mike Carter (Jefferson, Dallas, Texas) 79

76-2 Brent Noon (Fallbrook, California) 90

74-10.50 Arnold Campbell (Airline, Bossier City, Louisiana) 84

72-8 Charles Moye (Ellet, Akron, Ohio) 87

All time list in the HS shot. Definitely one of the greatest record in any sport.

Oh, and as for the original post(er) and the complaints that have ensued, it's not hard to turn a lot of records into even more unbreakable ones. For instance, the Jefferson HS shot put school record, statistically, has a close to 0% chance of being broken within the next, say, 50 years, assuming no major breakthroughs in training or technique.

Actually I was pretty conservative when I said close to 0% chance in the next 50 years. There's a decent chance the HS record won't even be broken in 50 years, and obviously the chances that someone from his HS will be the one to do it have to be less than 1/10000.

Discus records may last another decade: Men's and women's

Unrated wrote:

Mottram says he can run sub 8:00 in the 2 mile. Not saying that means it will happen or that he can do it, just saying that in the mind of at least 1 athlete, the 2 mile WR is within reach.

After his Osaka debacle, Mottram said he would shut up and let his running do the talking. This year I see not of that resolve. If this guy learns just a little humility, he might just have a chance to do all of the things he says he can.

When there is a HS freshman who throws 66 feet indoors, (Nick Vena, Morristown NJ) I think there should at least be some consideration that he has a chance at that record if he continues to grow and get stronger.

Killa Mike wrote:

Speaking of World Records, 1:41.11 is to me the most underrated record on the books. While many running scholars contend that it is a "soft" record, I think they are missing a key component for what it takes to run a superfast 800m.

I've heard a speech where the speaker said, "The 800m WR is soft. If you took a 44.5 400m man and trained him in a Lydiard fashion, the right athlete could be trained to a 1:39.XX."

I completely disagree with that statement, because a 44.5 400m runner that trained lydiard would become a 46.5 400m runner by the time he had the necessary endurance. That's what makes the 800m such a beastly event. You have to have a great balance to train for it properly.

What running scholars have you been talking to.... Names please... I cant really remember anyone saying it was soft... as a matter of fact most of the time this conversation comes up it seems like its one of the first 3 records named

Wow. That is mighty impressive. You have a point that to deny that he has a shot at breaking it would be premature, but he hasn't even broken 70 feet yet, so I would still put my money on the record surviving.

Carters' shot record is totally out of the stratisphere. (sp?) Nice entry. I can't even imagine what an 81 foot shot would look like.

-The Killer

Every national record from the former East Germany, USSR, Czechoslovakia etc etc will never be broken

Nothing to do with drugs, the countries don't exist anymore

I agree Gator. It always does get mentioned here as one of the top 3 or so records, which I believe it is. I'm not going to name drop on who it was that said it was soft. Let's just say it was a pretty well known Lydiard disciple. His theory was that a 400m runner with 44.5 second 400 speed and an affinity for endurance could be trained to run 1:39. The math behind it does not necessarily disagree either. Wilson Kipketer was only a 46 high guy at best, to my knowledge. My argument was that the training required to gain the level of endurance he was speaking of would de-train a 44.5 400m man into a mid 46 runner, and he would be back in the 1:41-2 range best case scenario.

my HS 100M record is 10.4 at a pretty small average HS not known for track

(the state record is about .2 slower then that)

no one is breaking that one

Killer Mike, perhaps you speak of this:

"A simple test to discover whether an 800m runner has a weakness is to compare the flat 400m time to the average lap times in the 800m. If we take Coe's best 400m time of 47 secs and compare it to his average 400m time set in his world record of 1:41.73, we see that he ran two laps just under four seconds a lap slower than his best for 400m. If we do the same with Juantorena, we discover that the differential is just under 7.5 secs. If he had possessed Coe's endurance, the world 800m record would now be 1:36.52! And the same if Coe had possessed Juantorena's speed."

I agree with you that that type of 400 speed (sub-46) and the 4-5 second endurance cannot coexist. Even crazier is when this formula is applied to women later in the article, he theorizes that the women's WR would be 1:43.98.

All that being said, he is still one of my favorite coaches. A lot of his theories are more cool, "sci-fi" type what-ifs, but some of it works.

Here's one of my favorite articles of his that starts off completely absurd, but by the end it I kinda feel like I should do some of that stuff:

http://www.serpentine.org.uk/pages/advice_frank27.html

Twoinchkiller wrote:

Carters' shot record is totally out of the stratisphere. (sp?) Nice entry. I can't even imagine what an 81 foot shot would look like.

-The Killer

It looks like this:

Twoinchkiller wrote:

Carters' shot record is totally out of the stratisphere. (sp?) Nice entry. I can't even imagine what an 81 foot shot would look like.

-The Killer

It looks like this:

How about Eamonn Coghlan's sub 4 (3:58.13) at age 41, Masters World Record

present wrote:

what I think wrote:

Abebe Bikila's back to back olympic marathon victories might be equalled...

Well, yeah. It has been.

Drugdemar Cheaterpinski doesn't count (give Kardong his bronze!)