How old is the actual BOAZ??

True that, Timo.

So you're saying that our so called amateur college football and basketball players dont get anything under the table?

Get real, they get so much crap from businesses and other sources, sporting goods manufacturers etc and its well known fact on every college campus across America. They drive around in cars and wear clothes that are GIVEN to them. We all know its illegal, but its shrugged off. We know they get money under the table too, to support their expensive lifesytles.

Lets stop being petty and start being fair.

Sure looks like open season on Boaz to me. If its not his age, its his $75 winnings.

Still looks like jealousy and envy to me.

But it didnt stop Kangogo from going after him. Oh, let me guess, hes in his late 30's too, right?

If we cant beat them, lets "age" them out, is that the current strategy?

Less talk of his age/income and more miles, thats the answer to beating Boaz..happy trails.

K

Koech,

To me this isn't about Boaz. And untill anyone can prove he isn't 23, than he is. Its about anyone that is a liar, and takes money or says they are a younger age than they are. And when I say take money I don't mean $75, in Pro races you get paid alot more to rabbit. When this happens everyone gets cheated, me, other college athletes, record books for ncaa, and esp. the athletes that would have gotten the liars money. What they are doing is wrong and for some reason, some people thinks it is ok. Well its not.

Timo

Lets see some concrete proof of your statements. Oh wait, you have none. All of your acusations are based on hear-say and are therefore fictional until you proove otherwise. But you can't. So shut up.

Keoch and Huh?

You will not change this individuals mindset, so stop

trying. The sad thing is Boaz is doing the sport by helping our young athletes to raise their proformances to

another level if they want to be competitive. The great international athletes give our American college athletes

a taste of running against various countries/degrees of talent/athletes/tactics.

Lets see how many hours go by before another un-creative

poster slam Boaz, because 99.9% of them can't beat him!

Vipam, Huh, and Koech:

If you would reread Timo's post, you will see that he didn't make a single claim about Boaz. In fact, he fairly explicitly states "Not saying BOAZ is either of those things". Neither me nor Timo is slamming Boaz. If he's 23, that's fine. If he once took $75, that's fine. If he's 28 and has made thousands of dollars as a professional runner, that's a different story. AND THE FACT THAT I CAN'T BEAT BOAZ DOESN'T CHANGE THE VALIDITY OF MY CLAIMS. Get that through your head.

PROOVE YOUR CLAIMS!!!!!!! (but you can't) It is like saying the Earth is square. You can believe it as much as you want, but you can never proove it. It is the same for your "claims" about Boaz. You can't proove what is not true.

Let me say this one more time. NEITHER ME, NOR TIMO, ARE MAKING CLAIMS ABOUT BOAZ. He says he's 23, he's probably 23. He says he hasn't raced professionally, he probably hasn't. IF HE HAS, however, it is a different story. I don't have to prove any claims because I didn't make any claims. (Other than the claim that I don't want to compete against 28-year old professionals.)

Okay, no drop the age thing because Boaz will be in the

NCAA this year. The thing you and others running against

Boaz need to focus on is trying to defeat him. GOOD LUCK!

Vipam

only when we are beaten by those who dont play by the same rules

I don't think the guys who really are affected care if he's old. Their goals are much bigger than the NCAA's. Having more great runners like Boaz around only help people like Torres, Ritz, etc. prepare for running at the world class level.

If you are aiming for just all-american staus then it doesn't really affect you either.

The only people I think would care are the other coaches and athletes in the MAC and Great Lakes Region. If a team is breaking the rules by using overrage athletes then that is wrong and does hurt others chances of winning fairly.

But if I was a 13:40-28:30 collegiate I would look forward to being in a race with great athletes like him.

Salazar was beat up a lot by the El Paso Kenyans, but by the time he graduated he was ready for anything, as he showed.

You morons defending foreigners! They take American scholarship and that hinders American development. How many high school boys get passed up for scholarship money that goes to guys like Boaz? These college coaches are full of it. Defend the American guys who work hard and deserve help going to school but you people who feel that the foreign guys raise the bar are mistaken.

I disagree. Taking away a scholarship that might go to a 9:10 2 miler and giving it to a faster foreigner would raise the standards. When foreigners dominated the NCAA's in the 70's high school running was at its peak. After the foreign influemce went down, high school running went down. When I saw in the mid-90's in the TnF News that listed incoming recruits that schools such as Georgetown and Illinois listing 9:17 2 milers I knew it was bad.

There are still plenty of programs for kids to run and develop that aren't at a top D1 program. And this isn't the NBA. Its not the end of the line for every kid that doesn't get a full ride to college because he can run 69's for 8 laps.

I saw a list of times that Indiana had listed as what you needed for a full scholarship back in 1984. And for the 2 mile it had 8:45. Run that and you'll get recruited by everyone in the country.

It sounds logical but I don't see having top level foreigners hurting development in this country. There really aren't that many programs that exclusively recruit foreign. Lets see in D1 there's Alabama, Washington State, UTEP, Arkansas, BYU, Villanova, Providence,-those are really the ones I can think of that traditionally have used foreigners. I think there are about 280 other colleges in Division 1 that have track programs.

I should add these foreign flavored schools: Iowa State, Iona, Oklahoma State, LSU, and I'mn sure there are more.

The D1 programs I don't have any problems with. There is no schoo; like UTEP that is forcing Amereican schools to go foreign just to compete. Now Division 2 and the NAIA I admit is out of control. It is very hard to ever have any hope to win national title without at least one ringer. Thats because its harder to recruit the talent at that level. A school like Malone used to get 9:20 2-milers every single year. Now they mostly are getting 9:45 guys. How can they develop these kids in 3 years to compete for a title against the all-Kenyan teams that were at Life recently? I don't care how good a coach Hazen is.

Again I reiterate: There is no proof that giving more scholarships to slower kids will have an impact on American development. If a kid loses a scholarship because he's not a sub-9:00 guy that is not going to prevent him from going to college and running. He'll just have his choices narrowed down more.

Ugh! wrote:

You morons defending foreigners! They take American scholarship and that hinders American development. How many high school boys get passed up for scholarship money that goes to guys like Boaz? These college coaches are full of it. Defend the American guys who work hard and deserve help going to school but you people who feel that the foreign guys raise the bar are mistaken.

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Racist son of a bitch, I don't hear u making any claims about canadians(nate brannen) or south africans(alistair cragg), just kenyans.

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Racist son of a bitch, I don't hear u making any claims about canadians(nate brannen) or south africans(alistair cragg), just kenyans.

"UGH" is right it's not about race, it's about foreigners. and yes allister Cragg too. but as far as the kenyans they are just over here to run. I mean come on Boaz is studying geography.(I knew every country and it's capitol in grade school) Jesus christ man. And as for canada I basically consider them Part of North America don't you and if mexicans want to run thats fine too. but stop the over seas runners let them run in there own countries. If Kenya and UK and SA are so great for running why don't they run there.

Yes...I am one of the many KENYAN student athletes who came to America on a FULL ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP. What I have realized is that as a foreigner, if you beat many of you opponents, you're hated and most of all you're seen as undeserving individual on earth.

At my University, I won a lot of races in(5K,3K,mile,XC and in Relay). I disagree with most of the posters that these individuals who slamm foreigners are racists. Instead, the main thing I have learned is that:- if you achieve more than the natives, you'll probably be seen as a threat and you become an obastacle of some sort to your opponents, who try to get into the limelight.

I enjoyed running against American athletes because I knew that...by getting that opportunity to training with me and my fellow Kenyans in the team, the American kids whom I believe are the future stars of American T&F would benefit a lot. Foreign athletes offer a dynamic competitive atmosphere at major collegiate championship such as NAIA, NCAA DI/DII/DIII etc. AS a result of our presence at these major championships, the Amrican athletes get to compete against the best in the world. It is thru training with us that the Americans change the way they think about running and by doing so, they build a positive mind towards the future as great American sensations.

Vipam has been making a lot of sense explaining a lot about Boaz in this forum, and I think we should all be open minded, smart in our thinking and be able to think before we post hateful stuff on the net.

Kenyan.

First as far as Boaz or any other athlete goes have a little faith. Until they give you a reason to think that they are liars dont call them one. As far as cometition goes, there is nothing that I like better than going against someone who is better than me.... it will force me to run faster than I thought I could if I am going to beat them, but since I run under NCAA rules and follow them, I expect everyone else in the race to be doing the same. If I want to race someone who is profesional and older than myself I will enter a race that is supposed to have them in it. As for the people slamming foriegn runners in the states. I really dont think it will make US runners stronger if things are just given to them. I would love to have a full ride scholarship (Ireally need the money), but when I do get it I want it to be because I was fast enough for it, not because I was from the "right" country.

u are racist!!!!!!! if u were good enough to get a scholarship you wouldn't be mad about this issue.