Women's 3000 WR

Yeah those times are sick. I do doubt that any of them are clean though. I include Radcliffe in that statement too. And we now have proof that at least some of the big guns are/were on drugs with the bust of Mourhit.

was accused/thought to be on drugs oh around 1999 & 2000? Then last year during her come back she joined the drug police with Radcliffe. She always seemed to act a bit odd or suspicious while running not of this world during the O-Games build up in 99 & 00. Remember Szabo stating that she would sleep like 15 hours per day before the games to explain her training? I guess that she must just be back in shape & not on the meds.

Jason asks us "What makes you think the those Chinese athletes were juiced?" Wow, that's a tough one. Go to trackandfieldnews.com and check the world all-time top 10's for women. As you are looking through the performances of Chinese women on the list, (8:06, 8:12, 8:16, 8:19, 29:30, 30:13, 3:50, 3:50, 3:51, 3:51, 3:53 etc) remember that all of those performances occurred on one weekend, at one meet, in China. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that there wasn't any drug testing at that Chinese championships meet. Oh yeah, and all of the athletes were complete unknowns. Oh yeah, and none of the athletes were ever able to repeat those performances again(a couple went on to do well at major championships, but never ran times like that again). It could not be any more obvious that some type of cheating was going on to produce those times.

I am very much in favor of innocent until proven guilty philosophy. But I prefer to follow that philosophy when an athlete follows at least a semi-normal progression to that performance. And when they show that they can at least almost repeat that performance again, somewhere else. The Chinese case should be treated as a special case.

Don't call me a hippocrit for defending Geb and for villifying the Chinese. Because the situations have nothing to do with eachother.

P.S. Didn't some of Ma's next generation of athletes test positive a few years later? I believe they did, causing China to fire Ma as the national coach. They didn't need their Nation's reputation soured by a cheater.

Naw, the chinese women were on natural stuff like smoking grasshopper dung and eating chinese fruitfly testicles for ultra-fast recovery.

Did you notice that Larry Rawson, in his televised commentary, not only called Szabo's performance the fastest "non-Chinese" time ever, but also called it the "unofficial world record"?

Aha, word is the Chinese embassy in Washington will issue a formal protest tomorrow about Larry's behaviour. By the way, I admire Paula's guts, but why does she always look like Zatopek at his worst? And why didn't Szabo help her out with the race at all? It's not a freaking Olympics or anything where 1st-2nd place owuld have made a tremendous difference - they might have as well shared the work and gone for an even better time.

Yea I noticed that comment by Rawson too..

Isn't Ma back as the coach of the Chinese? Maybe they realized they really do need him and his grasshopper dung.

I'm glad Larry said that--he's right, the world record in the women's 3k was set today.

I'm most impressed that Szabo had to run a WR to beat a friggin' MARATHONER. Paula is good for sub-14:30/30:00 right now.

But God it hurts to watch her run.

How exactly did the Chinese women's results become offical in 1993 anyhow? When are world records official and when are they not?

The IAAF officials who ratified the times from that Beijing meet should be put through a Chinese reeducation camp... What a crock of sh!t that was...

Yeah, Radcliffe should be able to run an awesome 10k. I can believe that somebody can look like that when they're running. One weird thing is that there seems to be a special rhythm to her head-bobbing. Like, every fourth bob, she would bob in a slightly different way, and repeat the cycle again. Like saying a matra again and again, but expressed physically. Does she look like this when she's out for a jog? How can this be natural? It appears that it would take some conscious effort to make yourself do that. It definitely works, but I've never seen anything like it.

I meant, "I can't believe someone can..."

For those of you old enough to remember, who would win in a "oh my god, I'm dying" competition - Paula, Emil Zatopek, or Jim Ryun???

JasondoesAsia...

You have posted many good things on these boards, which is why I'm blown away by your last post. I know in your post you never said directly that you dont think they were but you implied it. Are you aware that the World record for the 5k was actually bettered in the second half of the womens 10k record? Imagine someone running 12:38 for their second half this summer en route to a 25:50 10k. That would be very similar in comparison to the mens time. I bet no one old enough to remember that 1993 weekend will witness the 3k or the 10k record broken. I am not going to spend several minutes citing examples of solid evidence showing these "women" were on drugs at the time. The evidence speaks for itself.

I'm not old enough to remember (I doubt many on here are), but I don't think Jim Ryun was nearly as bad as Radcliffe or Zatopek. Ryun was really only bad from neck up. Everything else was in good working order.

The Chinese "conveniently" set their records during their 2000 Olympic Games bidding selection process, in which Beijing ultimately lost the rights to Sydney to host the 2000 Olympics. Coincidence? I think not. Check their female swimmers too--same timeframe. Also, when Paula Radcliffe is out for a garden variety 6:30/mile run, she looks pretty normal and efficient, not like a boxer getting goosed by a rattlesnake.

Until a chinese woman runs the same time or even remotely close to the times in either Europe or American soil, the only conclusions is that they 1) They were doped 2)They are men. 3) The track is actually 350 meters. 4) Grasshoppers in china superior to those in America.

Paula Radcliffe is efficient from the neck down. She is nor Ryun or Zatopek at there worst - she is women's distance running at it's best. She is the real deal!!