Marion Jones took a LOT of drugs - ledger

looking at her test/epi ration there are some huge swings. What is a normal value for those each and what is the ration they consider normal. I notice sometime her epi is huge after test was high. As that because the test changes to epi

Marion Jones took a LOT of drugs

Gee, you think?

For those using the hypocrisy of others as an excuse - we're all hypocrites in one way or another. That doesn't mean we should abandon absolute standards of right and wrong. If we begin to accept behavior simply because enough people are doing it, we'll wind up on the slippery slope to utter confusion and lawlessness. And pulling the old ad hominem cop-out of "What about you? You're a hypocrite, so your argument should not carry any weight!" is a logical fallacy, failing to address the issue itself. Besides, a hypocrite is liable to fully understand the error of his own ways, having been a slave to them for so long. Therefore, while we shouldn't condone his behavior, maybe we should pay extra close attention when the hypocrite points out what's wrong with doing what he does.

Cross country wrote:

did anyone actually check out that forum? It's pretty crazy, the anabolex one

And I thought this place was dysfunctional.

Lord Kinbote wrote:

Marion Jones took a LOT of drugs

Gee, you think?

For those using the hypocrisy of others as an excuse - we're all hypocrites in one way or another. That doesn't mean we should abandon absolute standards of right and wrong. If we begin to accept behavior simply because enough people are doing it, we'll wind up on the slippery slope to utter confusion and lawlessness. And pulling the old ad hominem cop-out of "What about you? You're a hypocrite, so your argument should not carry any weight!" is a logical fallacy, failing to address the issue itself. Besides, a hypocrite is liable to fully understand the error of his own ways, having been a slave to them for so long. Therefore, while we shouldn't condone his behavior, maybe we should pay extra close attention when the hypocrite points out what's wrong with doing what he does.

Excellent post!!!!

Are you guys the slowest idiots ever? This stuff was shown on Victor Conte's "special" on TV like 3 or 4 years ago. He talked all about the calenders and such. This is old old old news.

Fake edit: I know, the courts just officially "released" this stuff, but it's been public knowledge for several years.

and she and tim had no issues bringing a baby into the world knowing they wer dopers? scums of the earth.

i also want to know the truth behind her EPO positive A sample and negative B sample. Kind of makes you want to question Lagat again.

[Bold]westside2 wrote:[/bold]

You know I am not really mad at her, I am mad at the sport. She did what she needed to do to be a sprtinter in america, I can gaurentee that the next ten fastest women behind her were all on drugs as well. She is the media scapegoat. She chose the wrong sport, if only she were a man in the NFL she could take all the drugs she wanted and worst case scenario get caught and have to sit out a game or two. I dont wanna say im on her side, but lets face it, she is far from the only problem, she is just the most "talanted" women sprinter to take drug, not the only one....

You can gaurentee it? I'll take you up on it. Prove it please. Particularly in the cases of Christine Arron and Evelyn Ashford.

[Bold]yourdad wrote:[/bold]

Couldn't agree more with this. Unfortunately, she did what she had to do to be competitive.

Absolutely not true. Allyson Felix, Veronica Campbell and Lauryn Williams have captured more than their fare share of world and Olympic sprint medals and they are clean as the fallen snow.

Dirty athletes have dirty associations or have flash-in-the-pan careers. Anyone working with Graham or Charlie Francis is surely a cheat, and are ones who come out of nowhere and fade quickly back to nowhere (Kellie White and Nesterenko are examples of this).

Marion Jones, who set 0 world records 1990s-today,

OR

Haile Gebrselassie, who set at least 25 world records 1990s-today

????????

mobile9 wrote:

Absolutely not true. Allyson Felix, Veronica Campbell and Lauryn Williams are clean as the fallen snow.

"You can gaurentee it? I'll take you up on it. Prove it please. " Your own words thrown right back at you.

mobile9 wrote: Dirty athletes have dirty associations or have flash-in-the-pan careers. ....ones who come out of nowhere and fade quickly back to nowhere (Kellie White and Nesterenko are examples of this).

So you are saying an athlete couldn't be great without drugs and better with ?? So Torri Edwards was a cheater and was great, and she comes back and is still good. I guess she is still on drugs?? (maybe, who knows). Lance Armstrong would have been great with or without drugs. Better with them, but still great without them. Clemens & Bonds would be great with or without drugs. Sure the drugs probably helped them both, but with or without drugs, neither one was going to have a "flash in the pan" career. In fact, with drugs, their careers were extended most likely.

In short, your "formula" for figuring out who is dirty and who isn't is extremely vague and unscientific.

Fair enough, SLa.

I'd still bet my life on those I named.

E degrades quickly over time ... there is usually a backlog of tests ... if A is positive - stall, stall, stall and your chances of getting busted are practically nil.

She was taking E THE WEEK BEFORE MOST MEETS AND SHE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE - WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT DISTANCE RUNNERS?

Ask any elementary school kid if Lance took drugs and the answer would be, yes. Ask the same about Geb, and they never heard of him.

Go to Arsi and see the enormity of talent that exists there. Geb doesn't need any drugs. He's simply the best that ever was.

mobile9 wrote:

Go to Arsi and see the enormity of talent that exists there. Geb doesn't need any drugs. He's simply the best that ever was.

Like me, Ronnie Coleman. I am 100% natural--just like Geb

Speaking of conspiracy. I heard that USATF covered up 24 positive tests from the 2000 Olympic track team and that only 4 were medalists. Out of that non-medaling 20 I wonder what distance people might have had their asses covered by the establishment? (I have a few theories).

GRG wrote:

We put up the documents too. Funny how all this flew under the dope testing radar. Good plan for a conspiracy.

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/12/marion-jones-do.html

Mister Olympia EIGHT TIMES wrote:

Like me, Ronnie Coleman. I am 100% natural--just like Geb

http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bigbeachsm.jpg

That is the scariest picture I've ever seen.

What I want to know is, who are the other people on the list who's names are blacked out.