Vinokourov caught Doping!!!

yoooo wrote:

Why is the article written tommorow?

It's dated July 25th. Even with time zones, in Europe its still today

Because Cycling News is an Australian site. It's the 25th there now.

Someone mentioned that cycling has always been dirty with the use of Brandy and other pain killers and this wasn't true in running. First of all the pain killers were acceptable in the early days of the Tour and the professional runners from the early 1900s employed the same methods.

I don't know if T&F is more or less dirty than cycling but, the reason so many more cyclist are caught than runners has to do with the nature of the event. You’re talking about an event that lasts 21 almost consecutive days and the greatest impact on success is how fast an athlete can recover for the next day’s stage. So, doping during the Tour becomes necessary just to be completive. Where T&F is mostly a one day event (aside from heat in the shorter events) doping the day of or the days leading up to an event don't have the same impact. If track athletes are doping, then they're probably doing it out of season.

Thank God Lance Armstrong saw the writing on the wall and knew when to take a bow! I think that the same can be said for El G - gotta know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em.

Top 4 sports stories on ESPN:

NBA ref fixed games

Vick dog fighting

Vinokourov doping

Selig wont watch Bonds get record

Hmmm??, Vino has the same doctor as lance (Ferrari).

This guy should be put in jail, after he confesses about all of his clients.

The guy everyone in cycling celebrates as the greatest ever--The Cannibal, Eddy Merkx--was caught doping at least once. The cyclists themselves have seemed over the years to accept doping of some sort as a matter of course and not to consider it a character issue. The fact is that now it is considered a character issue and the culture of the world outside cycling is meeting up against the culture of the cycling world.

Ever wonder why Phil, Paul, Roll, and Andreu NEVER talk about doping? They are a part of that culture, and I think it's just accepted. I love to listen to them and love to watch the sport, but somebody's going to have to decide whether the culture of the sport is up for honesty and the ethics that purport to rule outside the peloton as the sport gets more popular, or whether it needs to remain an insular culture with its own code. It appears to me as if pro wrestling is in a similar boat.

The poster who said that track seems to have a different code among the lower ranks may have a point. The solitary nature of the sport may seem to encourage a different sort of ethic. For the 30 years I've been in the sport, it's always been that way, at least on the surface, with guys like Shorter, Rodgers, Waitz, etc. And there's always been a lot of suspicion of those who "might" have doped or done something illegal or unethical.

Regarding Contador, unless VeloNews doesn't check, recheck, and then double check their facts, Contador was cleared of any involvement in Puerto when Dr Fuentes himself stated he never worked with Contador:

"Though he was one of nine riders forced out ahead of the start of the Tour, none other than Dr. Eufemiano Fuentes himself, who said he never worked with Contador, cleared him. A Spanish court later formally cleared him of any link to the doping investigation."

http://www.velonews.com/race/int/articles/11823.0.html

(Reference the paragraph before the start of the interview.)

As far as Andreu, he is a lot closer to talking about doping by other riders than you may think. Again, according to VeloNews:

"Betsy Andreu, wife of Frankie Andreu, a former friend and teammate of Armstrong, who claim they were both present when the cyclist is said to have discussed doping with the doctor ...

"Frankie Andreu made the same statement in a late-2005 deposition, according to documents acquired by VeloNews. Both Andreus previously told the same story during an arbitration hearing between Armstrong and his insurance company SCA Promotions."

http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/10088.0.html

kohlberg wrote:

fgdfg wrote:

The complete Astana Team has quit the Tour.

Oh my god. Not again. The sport doesn't need this...not now.

Frankly, why does ANY sport need it?

Yes, yes – I know all the true but tired arguments about all the money that’s at stake, not to mention an athlete’s competitive drive and win-at-all-costs way of life. But I still have to wonder what sort of desperate person rationalizes cheating as a legitimate means to success. And what sort of pathetic individual thinks winning through dishonest means equals true success?

Hey, I don’t want to sound like I’m on my moral high horse or anything. Except for the fear for my health and general embarrassment of tarnishing my reputation, I don’t know what would stop me from juicing if big money was being dangled in front of my face. Nonetheless, I don’t know if I could live with myself if I knew that I was a winner because of anything more that God-given talent and very hard work.

Ban them all for life!

Listen, 90% of professional athletes are doping. The only time the sports media cares or the public cares is when people get caught. For the most part everyone has their head in the sand. Cheating is a part of professional sports. Has been since the first check was signed and cashed. Cycling gets a bad rap because they are trying to catch people. If the NBA, NFL, or MLB did random testing and tested as often as cycling or even track what crap do you think would pop up. Check out the sizes of NBA rookies now compared to 20-30 years ago. Compare Wilt to Lebron James. You think you can throw 90mph all year without being on something? You think you can hammer 70 home runs a year without being on something? The three major sports have too much power and so they don't bother to test and no one forces them to test so we pretend they are clean because they haven't gotten caught.

I for one could care less. Let Vino play. I'd much rather see someone hammer 80 home runs, run a 3:40 mile, throw 105mph. We watch sports to see something special, something we can not do. To get to the level of a professional athlete you still need talent, you still need to work hard, performance enhancing drugs simply takes you to that otherworldly level. Instead of just finishing the Tour, you're winning it. Instead of just swatting 40 dingers you're swatting 60. Instead of just pulling up for a jumper your dunking over some skinny rail with your 48in vertical. Instead of just tackling someone by the legs you are smashing them. If you believe the are all dirty then it ceases to matter anymore. The testing will always be behind the cheaters because there is more money to be made in cheating than in preventing the cheat. Always has been that way. From the Black Sox to taking strychnine and absinthe to blood doping to steroids to EPO.

Their cheating does not affect me so why should I care?

Then who cares who wins?

If doping is OK, then isn't whoever's chemist and who is doping the most going to win?

Question to all:

Let's say you're a decent Tour rider or a semi-elite distance runner that is consistenly beaten by people you strongly suspect are doping. Let's then say a representative from your team or sponsor comes up to you and says "If you take this you'll earn $1 million dollars a year". "You won't get caught, everyone is on it (he then shows you stone cold proof), we have medical personnel who can keep it under wraps to make sure you don't get caught"

What would you do? Would you take it? Go from running 2:15 to 2:09 in the marathon...go from finishing in the middle of the peleton to the lead...go from just squeaking by as a professional athlete to making hundreds of thousands if not millions.

If you are shown proof that most of your colleagues are on something what would you do?

Alan

Yeah...Steve Nash, Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince are Steroid Monsters.Lebron was already extremly strong at a time where his parents probably couln't afford buying that stuff.The NBA isnt't completely clean but i'm sure that there are more NBA players on Cannabis than on Roids.

Cycling is the dirtiest sport after Body Building(if you can call that a Sport) cause there is no other sport that is almost 100% based on physical strength where you can earn so much money.

what a joke....im just disgusted by the whole thing. I wonder what Liggett and Sherwen will have to say about it

i hope you start doping then and get cancer or have a heart attack as a result.

people like you are exactly what is wrong with sports because you are basically encouraging drug use. please don't ever post again.

Oh, this is just an example of how the French loathe Kazakhs.

Runningart2004 wrote:

I for one could care less.

Their cheating does not affect me so why should I care?

Do we know this guy Alan's full real name?

Runningart2004 wrote:

Question to all:

Let's say you're a decent Tour rider or a semi-elite distance runner that is consistenly beaten by people you strongly suspect are doping. Let's then say a representative from your team or sponsor comes up to you and says "If you take this you'll earn $1 million dollars a year". "You won't get caught, everyone is on it (he then shows you stone cold proof), we have medical personnel who can keep it under wraps to make sure you don't get caught"

What would you do? Would you take it? Go from running 2:15 to 2:09 in the marathon...go from finishing in the middle of the peleton to the lead...go from just squeaking by as a professional athlete to making hundreds of thousands if not millions.

If you are shown proof that most of your colleagues are on something what would you do?

Alan

Sorry Alan,

That is the most lame brained rationalization I've ever heard. So what if all sports are fixed/ rigged, at least you're entertained, right? Sad as it is, I suspect that 90+% of sport is completely fake. Not that we don't see great performances, just that that's all we're really seeing... performances.

I haven't watched a pro sporting event in many years. Not since watching Shaq literally beat the hell out of opposing players right in front of the refs face, while rarely drawing the foul, usually being sent to the line himself.

College is no better.

Sports are entertainment, what ever gets the big draw goes.

Legitimate competition is just too unpredictable.

MWRun wrote:

Is anyone clean in that sport anymore?

And why are they so inept at cheating?

"That" sport has one of the most rigorous testing procedures in sports. If your sport had one similar, than no one would be clean in yours either.

witchhunt starter wrote:

Do we know this guy Alan's full real name?

Why you care what his full name is? How does that make his opinion any less valid?