WOW, Songok with a huge upset!!!

[quote]dfggdfg wrote:

As for turning pro without an NCAA title, I say, since when do you need to win an NCAA title to turn pro?

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Don't kid yourself about Rupp's earning potential as a pro. In his case, I seriously doubt than an NCAA title would've made that much difference. The 27:33 pretty much sealed the deal. Obviously, Nike is going to take care of him.

What is the word with his hamstring?

i acutally think McDougal ran a smart race. He was predicting that Rupp would be the guy to beat so he shadowed Rupp the entire race thinking that he might be able to outkick Rupp if it came to that. If Rupp made a move, McDougal was on his ass.

But both of them paid the price for taking some turns on the front and trying to break the field up ealier in the race.

The women seemed to have learned a lesson from this and didn't play around as long as the guys.

Fun races to watch anyway...

desert rodent wrote:

For all this bashing of Rupp & McDougal...where did Rohatinsky finish? He had run some pretty sweet 5k & 10k times earlier. Was he ill and/or injured?

Mc Dougal

Mc Rupp and

MC Rohatinsky

They are all Stregnth runners. They are not sit and kick runners. Yet each of them allowed the race to go relatively slow. Each one can look in the mirror and know that they coulda, should woulda but didn't. Each one handed the race to a kicker.

Good Job Guys!

Yes they are all much better than me and I suck etc. etc. etc.

the diceman wrote:

Don't kid yourself about Rupp's earning potential as a pro. In his case, I seriously doubt than an NCAA title would've made that much difference. The 27:33 pretty much sealed the deal. Obviously, Nike is going to take care of him.

What is the word with his hamstring?

Word on the street is mizuno will outbid nike......

Yes that was a joke.

Rohatinsky was in the mix for a while but when things heated up, he couldn't go. when you see guys with top quallifying times fall back you gotta suspect they were coming off an injury and just wanted to race.

Again, I must have missed the part where NCAA athletes sign a contract saying they will "try to peak and win an NCAA event" and "bring glory to yourslef and school who is footing the bill." (By the way, Galen has brought no shortage of attention to Oregon. I'd say they have gotten their money's worth.) But he can peak whenever the hell he and his coach want. For Galen, this is the minor leagues. And if you don't like that, well, no amount of complaining is going to change it.

grover wrote:

hey dfggdfg,

as Vipam said, what the hell is Rupp doing in NCAA if he wants to experiment, play around, challenge himself with shaky tactics, peak himself for the summer track season, etc?

GO PRO Galen. The NCAA is about trying to peak and WIN at NCAA events!! The guy has an NCAA scholarship- its not the damn minor league of professional track- its about trying to bring glory to yourself and school who is footing the bill. If you don't like that, GO PRO.

Just to make sure you understand my post, I was saying what you are saying; namely, not winning an NCAA title is not in any way going to influence whether Rupp turns pro or not.

the diceman wrote:

[quote]dfggdfg wrote:

As for turning pro without an NCAA title, I say, since when do you need to win an NCAA title to turn pro?

[quote]

Don't kid yourself about Rupp's earning potential as a pro. In his case, I seriously doubt than an NCAA title would've made that much difference. The 27:33 pretty much sealed the deal. Obviously, Nike is going to take care of him.

What is the word with his hamstring?

Would Nike really want to be associated with such a nerdy character though?

dave wottle was kind of nerdy and he won olympic gold. and alan webb isn't exactly the most suave of characters, to bring it to the modern day.

so i don't think galen has anything to worry about.

if this is the minor league for him then why didn\'t he win. He should have found it easy if that was the case. Vipam is right in saying he should go pro.

And mcdougal ran a good race. As he said in his interview he wanted it slow after the 5k. He just got caught for speed on the day and wasn\'t the best man. Fair enough.

He is going to go pro sooner rather than later. And even in the minor leagues you're not going to win every time, especially in a tactical race. But I realize now that I'm arguing with a complete twit with he reasoning capabilities of a 15-year-old, pimple-faced teenager. Oh, right, because you are a 15-year-old pimple-faced teenager.

go pro wrote:

if this is the minor league for him then why didn't he win. He should have found it easy if that was the case. Vipam is right in saying he should go pro.

And mcdougal ran a good race. As he said in his interview he wanted it slow after the 5k. He just got caught for speed on the day and wasn't the best man. Fair enough.

go pro wrote:

if this is the minor league for him then why didn't he win. He should have found it easy if that was the case. Vipam is right in saying he should go pro.

And mcdougal ran a good race. As he said in his interview he wanted it slow after the 5k. He just got caught for speed on the day and wasn't the best man. Fair enough.

Speaking of minor leagues, I recall the US men's basketball team in the 2004 Olympics and their pathetic showing. I remember LeBron being interviewed and going on about how they did their best...blah blah blah.

He experimented and it didn't work out the way it was planned. This is information he now knows for the US championships. Championship races are always different. El G can tell you that. At some point, Rupp had to figure out how he can run in a championship 10k given his current ability level. I think it is good for him to know whether he can win a race off a slower pace that comes down to the last couple of laps as well as a fast pace. Yesterday seems to indicate that he can't. So, should the pace at the US champs slow down, I would expect him to adjust his tactics and take control earlier.

well i can see dfggdfg that you are much smarter than i am about this whole thing because you are clearly right about arguing with me. Oh wait that was my first post and about being 15, no that is wrong too and being pimple faced. NO wrong again. Clearly much smarter.

I agree that Rupp has great talent but don't demean the NCAA's as minor league just because he lost.

He got beaten on the day because he didn't run to his best ability and it will just be a leason learnt for when he does go pro

I like Rupp but i thought this was kind of funny, the notes for the splits said "7th lap 71, Rupp in 8th with Breathe Right and Hamstring wrap." Was that info necessary?

Shadrack Songok, twin brother of 3:30, 7:28, 12:48 Isaac Songok wins the NCAA 10k and it's called an upset? Go figure.

malmo wrote:

Shadrack Songok, twin brother of 3:30, 7:28, 12:48 Isaac Songok wins the NCAA 10k and it's called an upset? Go figure.

I was wondering if they were brothers. Either way, I would never call a win by a quality East African runner an upset.

Twin brothers, born April 25, 1984 in Kapsabet, Kenya.

Shadrack, a chem major, toils away for 3 years in the oppressive conditions of Corpus Cristi, TX (Mombassa on the Gulf), goes to Sacto and shows his stuff.

Shadrack Songok is a student athlete.

Galen Rupp is a pro athlete.

A great day for the students.

Some people say that Rupp is a chem major too.