Josh's 13:20 smokes the rest of the field. He will win 5000 hands down.
Josh's 13:20 smokes the rest of the field. He will win 5000 hands down.
I really hope they don't go out so slow like last year. I mean, yeah, a 4:00 last 1600 and three man showdown was thrilling, but I prefer the kind of race like 2005: Going out hard from the gun and gradually picking it up. That was when Hall and Dobson ran like 13:22 and 13:23.
I'm thinking Brent Vaughn will make sure the pace is reasonably fast, at least after 1200m or so. He's run 13:30 and has a shot at winning in a fast race, but not a chance in a slow one.
Josh has to be the overwhelming favorite for the 5k. I'd bet it all on McDougal at 5000 meters.
The real question here is wether or not people will give the LU coahces credit if he does pull of something spectacular. By spectacular I mean top 3 in each. (Yes, that counts as spectacular on the national scene.) I don't think he is a clear favorite, but he does have a fighting chance in both. It will all depend on how the race is run. If McD has something to say about the 5k pace, he will probably want to take it out from the gun. I'm pulling for the kid. He deserves to serve some pie to all of the haters out there.
I think josh could easily win the 5k, however, with the 10k beforehand, he might not be the clear favorite. He does have a big cushion as far as seed timse go, though.
message oil wrote:
Josh has to be the overwhelming favorite for the 5k. I'd bet it all on McDougal at 5000 meters.
With Solinsky's record and performances in past NCAA track championships, neither are overwhelming favorites. Plus, this race isn't going to be won in 13:20.
You also have to consider the fact that he might be waiting till the day of to decide if he's going to race the 10k. josh is an amazing runner, a hard worker. he's due for a big win. 5k should be his if he's races smart. dont count him out of the 10k either.
wonder boy wrote:
Josh's 13:20 smokes the rest of the field. He will win 5000 hands down.
Whether he realizes it or not, Josh's 13:20 was at the pinnacle of his season when he had his best form, right after he dropped that out-of-his-head solo 3:57 mile. He's on the backslide now and he won't win anything.
Why would Josh's coaches peak him for the middle of the season? It's retarded to think they would. Josh is ready to roll now. He's the huge favorite for 5000 in my book. If he ran 13:20 then, he should go 13:10 now if he must.
I have forseen it. McDougal loses. But gets into heaven regardless. Good boy Josh.
solinsky barely got nipped by rupp in a 5k right before rupp ran the 27:33. so, therefore, most likely, solinksy is in 13:15ish shape. he will win.
I don't think either of them are going to go under 13:20. The race will be too tactical for that, and we know how well McD does in tactical races. If he doubles, he doesn't win either race. Probably wouldn't win the 10k even if it was the only race he ran. If he runs only the 5k, I think he peaked too early, and Solinsky takes him. Maybe Vaughn too.
Wisco guys might take it out like in the indoor 5, so it may not be tactical. but agree with people here that the double may not be the best thing given the schedule, and the fact he got outkicked by a lesser athlete last weekend. i think all the people who were shrugging off his triple as no big deal are going to be eating their words soon.
So, if Solinski wins and McD is second, is he an idiot for peaking too soon? Man, I hope he pulls off something big here just to shut you guys up. Wait, then everyone will just bash him for being a Christian...
If Josh focused on the 5K he'd have much more of a chance. I just don't see him running the 5K prelim, the 10K, and then beating Solinsky in a 5K. On the right day I think he could beat Solinsky, but doing the 10K right before isn't going to make it the right day.
Solinsky is a mystery this season. He's run 13:30 where he got edged out by Rupp, and he's run a 3:41 1500. Josh has gone 13:20, 3:57, and 28:27 and has run well ever since struggling at NCAA cross. Who knows what can happen?
Falwell we miss you wrote:
3:57 and 13:20 = enough said. He'll should be ready to peak and smash those times if need be. McDougal is head and shoulders above the rest of the field. He will win at least one title and probably two.
I am a fan of McDougal and want him to run well at nationals. You are not doing Josh any favors by posting something like this. You are expecting too much out of him and he is definitely not "head and shoulders above the rest of the field". You don't seem to know much about collegiate track.
Of course his chances of winning either race are diminished by his doubling. I'm sure he's thought about it and decided he can live with the consequences. But unlike pro track, college track is still a team sport, and he can score more points with an equivalent total effort by doubling. Doesn't seem like such a terrible choice in that light. See Josphat Boit, 2006.
who nelly wrote:
Why would Josh's coaches peak him for the middle of the season?
Great question and one I don't have the answer to. McDougal is always in great shape early, but never when it matters. I know a lot of people think that 13:20 was off of his "base" training and that he has a much bigger PR in him with some sharpening. I'd love to be proven wrong this year, but I sincerely doubt it. We have seen the best from McDougal for THIS track season. He was IN SHAPE back in April (heck, he was dropping huge PRs indoors way earlier than that), and it's nearly impossible to hold that form for another two to three months. Time will tell.
Josh has the #1 seed in the 5000 so he's the favorite. Have to go with Josh on this one. I say he runs 13:12 in a fast race after that 13:20 he ran in April. Or he'll run a 4:05 last mile after that 3:57 he ran April if the race is slow.
Give me a break wrote:
Falwell we miss you wrote:3:57 and 13:20 = enough said. He'll should be ready to peak and smash those times if need be. McDougal is head and shoulders above the rest of the field. He will win at least one title and probably two.
I am a fan of McDougal and want him to run well at nationals. You are not doing Josh any favors by posting something like this. You are expecting too much out of him and he is definitely not "head and shoulders above the rest of the field". You don't seem to know much about collegiate track.
We'll see who knows about collegiate track after Josh smokes everyone in the 5k. Do you really think his coaches had him peak in April? I don't think so. He's ready to rock and will be champ, even if people like you don't expect much from him. Josh loves doubters, that's why he loves God so much even though there is no proof of God at all. It's called faith. You should try it. Try believing in something bigger than yourself.
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