RUPP Bashers - Let's Huddle Up Here!!!!

Nice try... Geb tried quite hard to win World XC in the mid 90's on more than one occasion.

That thigh wrap is concealing some evil experiment of Aberto's

you do know that all last school year (2005 - 2006 school year), rupp was having some kind of thyroid problem where he had to start taking some medication, but they never figured out the right dosage for him, so he continually had off days and training wasn't as good as he/they had hoped it would be, as with his races.

then before cross country came around last season (2006), they finally got the dosage right to combat his thyroid problem, and his results reflect that. he did great at pac-10's and regionals, and finished 6th at ncaa's. and that was his first ncaa championship cross country meet. that's not too shabby. so he was really just starting to get in good, solid training, and he ran that well in xc. now he's running phenomenally(up to his true potential probably) in track, and if he stays fit and healthy, it's going to carry over to xc and i won't be surprised if he takes on mcdougal for the national title, which brings me to my next point.

rupp, mcdougal, and withrow duked it out their senior year's of high school at FL nationals, so rupp deffinately has xc toughness if he can duke it out with those guys. not that withrow went on to finish 4th at us nationals xc the following year and run 13:35, and mcdougal- well you know about his cross credentials i'm sure. so i forget what you original point was - something about his cross times not being up to par with his track times? but you should understand last year was his first year (2005) was his first year of cross, and he wasn't ever 100% healthy, nor was he in track. this past season (2006) he was, and he did well, but he was just starting to get back into it. wait until cross 2007 to decide if his cross performances live up to his track credentials, and if they don't, then they don't. some runner's don't, but that doesn't make them any less tough of a runner- it just means it's not their forte. look at cheseret. he could run 13:13 for 5000m, but not finish in the top 3 at pac10's, regionals, or ncaa's. he's still a formidle runner though, one i expect to see good things from in the future.

This is a DISASTROUS day. Rupp ran a stellar race and with tremednous confidence. Dave Frank even told the trolls to kiss his natural ass and like it. Coach Mark Wetmore's athletes and alums ran really well. Metevier was rolling, Sara Slattery is making a comeback after being injured in a fall, Lambie was strong. Dan Browne is coming back after a nasty knee surgery. Steve Slatts set a PR. Stanford's great alumni Ian Dobson reappeared. Jen Rhines killed the women's 10,000 so Mahon is coaching great with Vigil overseeing him a bit. Hudson, Salazar, Lananna are killing it. Webb just rolled a 3:51 mile at Drake by himself. We all know Ryan Hall is 'halling ass' (T-SHIRT?).

Sally Kipyego just broke 32:00 and is in college = record. Kim Smith set a New Zealand nat 10K record. Jorge Torres looked really good, so did Cragg and the Arkansas crew. Cal has Dave Torrance running well under 4:00 and Alysia Johnson is about to break 2:00 for 800 this season. Ghebray ran 13:42. Where the hell did the other sub-28 guys come from in that 10,000, Carney? Ed Moran--as an alum he has represented William and Mary so well. There were anonymous guys from places like U. Portland running sub-29:00 who weren't even turning anyone's heads in the B-heats. FUUUUK. There is NO ONE LEFT to bash. Damn.

Wait...we can always pick on Dean Karnazes. I think that guy posts as Mr. Man Boobs.

Yeah, there have been quite a few Americans to dope.

But why single out Rupp?

Why single out a distance runner other than Regina Jacobs or Justin Gatlin?

Why not throw down the axe on Hall, Tegenkamp, Webb, Flanagan, or any number of athletes who have been making huge strides lately?

This is an old story. And I've posted this before to combat posters who want the ace thrown down on Rupp, and for whatever reason - who knows?!!!

Will you seriously be honest and answer this question? Why Rupp and no one else? And when was the last time a male American distance runner doped? It's understandable when someone like Bonds or McGuire or Gatlin do it, because there is A LOT more money in it for them. in other words, the benefit/cost ratio goes way up. it doesn't go way up for rupp, who probably isn't even thinking of going pro until after next year.

I think people probably tend to suspect Rupp as "doping" because of his history and the coaching going on over there at Oregon. I think after Rupp's "pro year' after college, then into Oregon people started to wonder about him and ask questions of eligibility and "where'd he get those shoes from?". Then of course you got Salazar coaching him and no one really knows what's going on over there between those 2 so people probably think Salazar's slipping something into his Cheerios.

Screw Rupp, its Barry Bonds wrote:

What really bothers me though, well not so much, but whenever Gatlin/Bonds do well, everyone jumps all over them and says they do steriods. Now as much as it annoys me when people play this race card, it annoys me just as much when absolutely noone even questions the legitimacy of Rupps time.

He ran 27:33, not 26:33. Plus, he'd shown this kind of promise as a junior. The race came suddenly to us, but I wasn't shocked.... and don't think many were either.

ramxc wrote:

Did anyone else have a significant drop in their PR last night? Do you suspect anyone else?

Or is your skepticism reserved just for Rupp because.... well, because.

Go get 'em doping watchdog! But, please, get all of them, not just the guy you don't like!

Because?? Well, perhaps because Rupp has the sketchiest coach in running.

But to be fair, test em all, why not...

jrun

I didn't really mean to direct that post solely at Rupp but rather all those guys. I'm just curious for the truth.

ttc wrote:

Screw Rupp, its Barry Bonds wrote:

What really bothers me though, well not so much, but whenever Gatlin/Bonds do well, everyone jumps all over them and says they do steriods. Now as much as it annoys me when people play this race card, it annoys me just as much when absolutely noone even questions the legitimacy of Rupps time.

He ran 27:33, not 26:33. Plus, he'd shown this kind of promise as a junior. The race came suddenly to us, but I wasn't shocked.... and don't think many were either.

I agree ttc, I think most with any amount of racing experience would understand this. I am honored that this made to headlines today!

Laptop, $1,200.

ISP, $20.

Rupp haters getting silenced, priceless.

For everything else there's letsrun message board.

Go Rupp!!

Go Ducks!!

Down with the Haters!!!

i don't know if i wanna open up this can of worms, but there were even some badass d2 marks this weekend. 13:40 5000... 8:29 steeple...

(us lowly d2 runners get our fair share of bashing too)

Yawn.

Ryan Hall's elite London race aside, these performances do not dent the fact that our best overwhelmingly decided to bypass XC worlds. Doing well at Stanford does not come close to making that up, and until we compete at a world competition and show our stuff there, then we're open to getting bashed.

Eggondaface wrote:

Laptop, $1,200.

ISP, $20.

Rupp haters getting silenced, priceless.

For everything else there's letsrun message board.

Go Rupp!!

Go Ducks!!

Down with the Haters!!!

Whatever...

One great race, thats it, for now. What really matters will be known by 6-24.

Is Rupp suddenly going to become consistent?

That would be great, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

We have about 54 days to find out...

Screw Rupp, its Barry Bonds wrote:

What really bothers me though, well not so much, but whenever Gatlin/Bonds do well, everyone jumps all over them and says they do steriods. Now as much as it annoys me when people play this race card, it annoys me just as much when absolutely noone even questions the legitimacy of Rupps time. I hate to sound so skeptical, but the fact that he dropped his pr by so much is an indicator of doping. I'm not saying he's guilty. But you have to question the possibility.

Actually, the broheims generally get a free pass from the press and officials. Did you see any black Americans get hauled into Congress during the grandstanding in DC a couple of years back. Who were the athletes being protected for decades by the AAU/TAC... oh yeah. Sprinters. Black sprinters from the US. Drop your BS.

Ah thanks man. I KNEW I could count on someone to find a way to put a negative spin on Rupp and Hall.

I'll pick that nit with you.

How did up-and-comer Fasil Bizuneh do at Worlds XC and London and how did Ryan Hall do against the world's best at London?

Without a doubt, the POST OF THE FREAKING YEAR!!!

Amen to that, Brother.

everyone's getting all excited about Rupp's performance and using this (and other great American performances) to say that American distance-running is amazing and the greatest thing in the world.

Point is, we've still got a long way to go to catch up with the Ethiopians and Kenyans. We've made some very good strides, yes, no one can doubt that. Are we at the best running level that we've eve been? No doubt. Are we probably the third best running nation in the world (depth-wise) after Kenya and Ethiopia? Yes. These are good things to be excited about, but don't get too excited. To really compete with the best we've got to be able to have our athletes compete at a little higher level, and more consistently. We're not there yet, but we're pretty close. Saying we're not doing well is a fallacy. Saying we're so awesome is. We've got some work to get done that we CAN get done. Once we reach the top tier again we can let the excitement out.

I don't get it with letsrun. Either they're sucking someone's balls or your bashing him. They never give any credo to middle ground.