Seb Coe: blood doper?

Everyone was on drugs during the 80's?

Shut up fool.

Yeah everyone was, including your daddy, didn't they tell him viagra was a drug?

No Shit Sherlock wrote:

out of order wrote:

if your not in the know, why suggest it? seb coe is a legend

Coe is a legend but he competed during the 80's when everyone was on drugs, do the maths people. Take a look at the world all-time lists and see how many of the top times were run during the 1980's. Coincidence? Yeah right.....

You don't think that there were other, more likely factors? The fact that kids were more in shape then, had fewer things to do and that track was held in higher esteem?

New Zealand's records at 800m, 1000m and the mile have been unchanged since the 60s and 70s (Walker ran marginally faster in '82). What drugs were they on? Surely it wasn't the case of good talent and coaching? That's too honest to be true.

Not every kid is lazier than they were 20 years ago, the ones who are at the top of their game aren't any less dedicated than those who competed in the 80's and if anything the coaching now should be better. To assume that everyone just trained harder back then is very nieve

There were certainly more Brits training harder in the 80's, a heck of a lot more. And there was much less teenage obesity then. Kids were a lot more active then.

Yeah there were definately a greater number in the 80's but this doesn't account for the drop off in quality at the top end of British 800m running. Worldwide the quality just isn't there anymore and there must be a reason....

coe's friend wrote:

back in those days they don't have pacers etc. and they still race fast.

Bob Benn wants to know why he got paid if that's the case.

Worldwide, events go through cycles. Ten years ago, the 800m was hot. Five years ago it was hot. Now, it's pretty tame.

As far as British middle distance running, look at the population. Kids have less fitness/physical activity in their youth, schoool phys. ed and athletics programs have been cut and if you are a good athlete you can make a lot more money playing football or rugby than you can in athletics.

UK Athletics is pouring money into their youth/junior programs because they're terrified that they'll be the first country to not win a single athletics gold medal at their own Olympics.

dork wrote:

yeah, and all those people they're finding through balco problems tested positive too, right? and landis tested positive before they finally caught him right? oh no, so that means they were clean. just a week before landis got caught he decided to take drugs. same with hamilton. he just picked up his doping habit a week or two before he was caught. dang that bad luck.

it's good to see that the athletes have plenty of fans who are completely oblivious to real life.

Landis and Hamilton are as irrelevant to this discussion as are Flo-Jo and Geb.

You were asked about allegations against Seb Coe. Wait a second, correction: Those IN THE KNOW were asked. But for some reason, you, who clearly know nothing, responded with mention of Geb and Flo-Jo. You were asked what connection Geb and Flo-Jo had with Seb Coe. You provided NONE - except to just blankly state that all 3 were on drugs. Aside from the fact that they've run fast, what do you have to back this up? ZIP.

Cynicism is cheap, kiddo

Britain was a unique environment in the 80's. There weren't the proliferation of africans that there are now, and a lot of individuals believed that they could be the best. Just like the Kenyans, and presumably Ethiopians (women as well as men), there existed an attitude of success is worth the price. Just look at the Olympic medals from the 80's - only Brendan Foster medalled in the 70's at the Olympics so perhaps he started it all?

800m: Coe(80,84) and Ovett(80)

1500m: Coe(80,84) Cram(84), Ovett(80) and Elliott(88)

5000m: none (but Hutchings was 4th in '84)

10000m: McLeod(84)

Marathon: Spedding(84)

3k SC: Rowland(88)

It can be argued that '84 was weaker due to the Moscow led boycott (no communist countries or Ethiopia) and that Kenya was just coming back after 2 boycotts (76,80). Nevertheless, there was a large contingent of brits who thought that they could be the best. World-record holders - Ovett, Coe, Cram, Moorcroft (again Foster led the way in the 70's) with big depth. Moorcroft, after winning the CG 1500m in Edmonton (78), had to move up to the 5k as he couldn't make the british team in the 1500m from 1980 on, as a sub 3.50 miler no less! Elliott was pushed out of a spot on the 84 team for Coe. Graham Williamson (the british Junior record-holder for 1500m) was also in the same era and didn't make any teams, as a senior? It was he, not Cram (who won the 3000m) who was the Euro Jr 1500m champion in their last year together in the junior ranks. This pushed guys like Moorcroft, Buckner and Hutchings to the 5000m, which Ovett also went to for the 86 CG. Tom McKean took a spot in the 800m for Euro 86. So the depth was great, and they thought that they could medal at Championships, and many did. That is incentive for success. It doesn't seem to exist now as much, and there aren't the awards on offer - obviously a feeling that winning at the highest level is just too difficult these days, and the compensation isn't worth the investment/sacrifice.

something got me started wrote:

only Brendan Foster medalled in the 70's at the Olympics so perhaps he started it all?

Ian Stewart, as well.

Tuone Udaina wrote:

something got me started wrote:

only Brendan Foster medalled in the 70's at the Olympics so perhaps he started it all?

Ian Stewart, as well.

just remind me who he finished in front of ...

Too much drag from sideburns and 'tache. Bedford also suffered dreadfully. There is a lesson in this I am sure.

Badford wrote:

Tuone Udaina wrote:

Ian Stewart, as well.

just remind me who he finished in front of ...

have you noticed, that all the great runners (100, 200, 400 and 800) become advoates of antidoping after they finnish running. Of course he doped and his father helped him. So did Carl, Michael, the cuban 400/800 olympic champion, If ben hadn't gotten caught, he would be out front talking as well.

are you kidding me wrote:

have you noticed, that all the great runners (100, 200, 400 and 800) become advoates of antidoping after they finnish running. Of course he doped and his father helped him. So did Carl, Michael, the cuban 400/800 olympic champion, If ben hadn't gotten caught, he would be out front talking as well.

What part of, "What evidence do you have?" was unclear to you?

Tuone Udaina wrote:

UK Athletics is pouring money into their youth/junior programs because they're terrified that they'll be the first country to not win a single athletics gold medal at their own Olympics.

Sad to say, but actually Canada managed to be the first Olympic host country not to win a gold medal in Athletics (Montreal '76).

what evidence does anyone have, unless they test positive and that is a little suspect. Unless you have been living on another planet, some things are very clear if you know athletics.

I think the French Canadians counted Guy Drut winning as one of their own

are you kidding me wrote:

what evidence does anyone have, unless they test positive and that is a little suspect. Unless you have been living on another planet, some things are very clear if you know athletics.

Reading comprehension would be useful here. It was asked of anyone "in the know". Not some joker who watched a race once and said, "Hey he's running too fast!" And since you are clearly not in the know of anything on the subject, a little evidence would be in order. The "Oh Come On!" school of debate produces nothing but weak graduates.