sundown wrote:This thread proves that this board was so much better in 2007
definitely not
the 2+ pages prior to this were most uninformed, poorly thought tripe imaginable !
sundown wrote:This thread proves that this board was so much better in 2007
definitely not
the 2+ pages prior to this were most uninformed, poorly thought tripe imaginable !
we can estimate Keino's time for exact same run at 0 altitude if you combine the NCAA app here :
http://windows.podnova.com/software/5472845.htm
which gives exuberant clocking in the 3'25s
it appears to me that is only hypoxia calculator & you need to temper it down with faster running thru thinner air, combining it with wind/altitude calculator :
http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/index.html
i'm not digging up exact estimate now but it got Keino's same run at sea-level as
~ 3'27+
( that doesn't include any of the slowing factors of
- run ~ 1 mile to stadium carrying bag when bus stuck in traffic
- suicidal sprint when dead f***ckin last 13s into race, to get near lead
- wide running on 1st bend
- solo from 800 out missing out on 1 lap of drafting worth ~ 0.7s
- uneven splits, especially initial 100 & last 1400
- numerous 10k/5k/1500 races beforehand
- ill with collapse on track near end of 10k
plenty to suggest his 3'27+ conversion had helluva lot more to come off if fully healthy in smoothly paced to bell 1-off in zurich )
the method works
i predicted vivian cheruyiots 31+ time in kenyan trials was worth ~ 29'30 at sea-level
go see what she clocked in rio...
anyhows, we can know now get some "stat" evidence of what 7,000'+ will do for 1500 ( & 800 etc ) as before '15 only place that high for track was mexicoapart from '68, only 1 other serious meet ever held that high again, which was '79 world student games ( mennea ran his infamous 19.72 cutting the curve )https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_1979_Summer_Universiadewon by williamson in 3'45.3 beating deleze, both of whom were quality guyssince '15, at the Keino stadium in eldoret/iten at ~ 7,000' ( still below mexico at 7,300' ), top kenyans racein '15, Asbel won with 3'36.09 ( listed on all-time site as 3'36.9 ) & it hurthttp://www.nation.co.ke/sports/athletics/Kiprop-sets-new-stadium-record/-/1100/2726648/-/10mambq/-/index.html
“The 3.36 by Asbel at high altitude could easily be a 3:28 on lower ground.†Kiprop praised the new Mondo surface, but added the he struggled quite a bit at altitude.
“It was a bit hard here but I am glad for the win. The change in altitude slowed me down.."
few weeks later he ran 3'26.6 !!!
last year, an unknown called tim cheruyiot won there in 3'36.8 walloping 2nd guy who ran 3'38.3
the poor tim finished an unlucky 4th in trials behind Asbel, mandingo & kwemoi who all had their disasters in rio
if you hadn't heard of him, he had some consolation in winning brussels walloping Asbel, maloofi & iguana, where if not wide running on bends, ridiculous opening lap, slow 3rd lap, he wouda run 3'29
he certainly is maybe next big 1500 talent & couda won a medal if in rio :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-cQpmkwiOcanyhows, both with their 1500 times at 7,000' & sea-level in same year suggest 6 or 7s is solid difference between 7,000' ( mexico at 7,300' ) & sea-level
only way to argue against 6 or 7s is if Keino was genetic "freak" amongst kenyans who wasn't affected by altitude unlike other kenyans such as Asbel a 3'26 & many time champ, & timmy, brussels winner & maybe next big thing...
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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