Seriously Matt? You're not fooling anyone, we know you posted that about yourself.
Seriously Matt? You're not fooling anyone, we know you posted that about yourself.
We will see what happens but, the PSAC is notorious at underperforming on the Nationals level. Too busy beating the hell out of each other. Pretty sure Adams is rarely thinking about their conference or regional meet. Until nationals is the focus from the beginning, change is doubtful.
If anyone from Haven or Ship is reading this, please prove this doubter wrong
Your Mom's Ass!
I don't care if he's hung like a gerbil, I'm damn proud of him.
9-12th my butt....yes in the past both have under performed. Just can't let that factor into this year. Most can see both teams are far superior than what their programs had in the past, and with sitting out their top guys for sbout half the races, nationals will be a way different story. At this rate, we have to sit back and wait and see what happens
I agree with you. I can realistically see Lock Haven and Shippensburg in the top 10. It's not necessarily crazy to say both teams could have multiple All-Americans and their entire top five in the top 60. Remember Edinboro at spokane having 2 guys in the top 50, and deibel and dustin thomas being top 60. If that edinboro team, (who was also very good) can do it I have a lot of faith one of the two this year can do it. Since we are talking about nationals, and all agree that neither team should be overly concerned with conferences and regionals, I am going to say what I truly believe the performances at paul short would convert to if both teams could replicate those performances again.
Ship:
1) Keiran- finished second later in the day so he could potentially have gone faster, and the course was a touch sloppier I would assume, also I believe he just stayed with the front pack and left it to a kickers finish. With this being said I think he can turn in a top 20-30 finish at nationals (refer to Matt Gillette his senior year)
2)Balla- may have exerted more of his potential than Sutton but nonetheless still turned in a top 40-60 effort
3) Bruning- same as Balla
4)Conrad-Kline- assuming still 10 seconds behind his teammates still leaves him in the top 65-80
5) Bernard England- had what appeared to be an off day at paul short even so would be a top 100 finisher at nationals, but I would be inclined to say he's capable of much greater assuming good health, I'm predicting he will be among Balla and Bruning rounding out the top five with conrad cline and undoubtedly giving shippensburg a phenomenal chance to be top 10.
Haven:
1)Mountain- I don't think it's so hard to say he has an opportunity to be in the top 5, I don't want to say he's a contender because other individuals in d2 are difficult to read thus far.
2)Monroe- showing shades of his older brother, his performance could leave him close to sutton somewhere in the top 30-40
3)Robinson- 3 seconds behind Monroe
4)Giuod- 5 seconds behind robinson
5)diltz-3 seconds behind Giuod
top 5 could be interchangeable at nationals judging by paul short, but their performance (if replicated) I think definitely could put their 2-5 among the top 70 at WORST and top 40-55 at best.
also it would be disrespectful to leave out elliot from edinboro who will bring the edinboro national effect and be in the top 50 along with steve maine, Corey wefing, and jeremy parsons who should be top 100 finsihers
I understand more than likely at nationals this will all not happen on the same day, but it's exciting to think of the opportunity the psac has this year. Although if even half of these turned out to be true it's still going to be a great year.
Putting the haven's 2-5 runner at BEST, between 40-55, is an insult to them. More than 1 will be all American.
Can Haven's team be comparable to ship 2010?
Their spread at Louisville was 24:34- 24:49 for top 5
the thing is, they only had one all-american and 7th overall as a team at the national meet...
haven has some low sticks coming back, but historically putting a psac team in the mix or on the podium is tough for some reason. that '10 ship team had a ton of talent for example.. I'll be rooting for haven to be up their, but you can't deny talented psac teams generally are looking at 8th-10th at the dance
You misunderstood me. I was saying at best they can have all of their 2-5 in the 40- 55 range at best. Meaning regardless of how well 2, 3, 4 does their fifth that day will at best be 40-55. I think all 5 CAN be AA but I think they'd be happy if they were all in the top 60 even, that's no joke.
and to the comment before this: that ship team was great but what you forget is that they had under performed at nationals with someone who hadn't been in their top 4 all year being the only all-american. I get your point if you're saying the psac choked in years passed, but it seems as if you're saying haven is as good as them, therefore they won't be better than 7th.
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You misunderstood me. I was saying at best they can have all of their 2-5 in the 40- 55 range at best. Meaning regardless of how well 2, 3, 4 does their fifth that day will at best be 40-55. I think all 5 CAN be AA but I think they'd be happy if they were all in the top 60 even, that's no joke.
and to the comment before this: that ship team was great but what you forget is that they had under performed at nationals with someone who hadn't been in their top 4 all year being the only all-american. I get your point if you're saying the psac choked in years passed, but it seems as if you're saying haven is as good as them, therefore they won't be better than 7th.
It was a surprise to see that 2010 team with only 1 all american, and even more so to see that it was their 6-7 guy
That team did under perform at national and that is the pattern in recent history. I am in no way trying to knock this years teams. but with that 2010 example, ship had a lights out mid season race (louisville) and crushed it at conference, and still only had 1 all american
Since 2010, we've had teams ranked 8th-9th, mabye even 7th during the year.. and seen finishes of 2011- 12th (boro) w/ one AA, 2012- 9th (boro) w/ one AA, 2013- 9th (boro) w/ no AA's, and 2014- 12th (haven) w/ one AA
by all means shoot for the stars, but there is a pattern of talented teams finishing 8-10 range. and maybe we should be realistic with our expectations, a 6th-7th place showing for a psac team would definitely be a step in the right direction.
I absolutely agree with the optimistic prediction at nationals. If they replicate what they both did at Paul Short they could both put up two of the highest finishes at Nationals in a very long time, but for some reason it does not look or turn out the same at the show. They do not have to try to do anything different or exceed much higher than what they have already done. As long as they do not choke or try to run out of their level they should both be looking pretty at NCAAs. If they perform how they did at Paul Short one or both teams should crack that top 8 barrier. Nothing special has to occur if they run how each has already done then they will both place higher than any other two teams from PSAC has in a very long time. Don't change tactics or thought pattern just do what you did at Paul Short and the results will show!
Heres a question: edinboro women beat southern indiana, the 11th ranked team and bellarmine (tied for 13th with bloom) and get ranked 25th below bloom and ship?
soooooooooooo wrote:
Heres a question: edinboro women beat southern indiana, the 11th ranked team and bellarmine (tied for 13th with bloom) and get ranked 25th below bloom and ship?
That seems logical, ha ha.
Rankings are subjective, which means there will always be bias in them. The beauty in this sport is rankings really don't mean anything. The only thing that matters is how well you perform at the last meet of the season. (ie: regionals, for regional rankings and nationals, for national ranking). If you finish 15th at nationals does it matter that someone ranked you 25th mid-season? If anything being ranked lower than expected mid-season, should give you that much more motivation.
soooooooooooo wrote:
Heres a question: edinboro women beat southern indiana, the 11th ranked team and bellarmine (tied for 13th with bloom) and get ranked 25th below bloom and ship?
Thank you, I thought I was going crazy when I saw the rankings and was the only one who realized this, ha ha.
Exactly! I can't believe we are referring to hot races at the end of of Sept and start of Oct! Regionals is still 20 days away and Nationals is near Dec! These guys have already effing peaked in Oct! Do you really think they will hold that for 2 months? Don't make me laugh! At this point it's not a matter of Lock and Ship gaining anymore fitness! It's holding on to what they have for dear life because it will fade!
So ships peaked after racing hard once all season?
In the non-d1 scoring (which is what I'm sure the rankings use) USI women scored 100, bellarmine 136, edinboro 153 Indianapolis 160...
no i agree. don't personally think the edinboro girls will be exceptional but surely better than ship