We're Alberto Salazar's first two seasons at Oregon a bust?

hmmmm, didn't Alberto run 7:43 his Sophomore year? All America as a Freshman?

I hate Salazar because I feel that he used drugs and has coached athletes that he has encouraged to use drugs but this question is STUPID. The first 2 years of college should be used to develop the necessary base to allow you to take your running to another level. It is ridiculous to try to judge performances during the building stage. What Alberto achieved in his running career is in large part due to the program that he was forced to do during his first 2 years in college.

Having said that, it was not a very good weekend for the Oregon Project. Although Browne ran a respectable race, the rest of the group ran like shit. Donnelly and Davis both DNF and Johnson was totally out of a slow tactical race by the mile.

malmo wrote:

hmmmm, didn't Alberto run 7:43 his Sophomore year? All America as a Freshman?

I was simply asking a question because I wanted to know if what I heard was fact. You can use other ways to respond instead of the stereotypical snobby elite runner response.

Rudy Chapa won the NCAA 5000 their soph year at Oregon (roomies). AL was only 6th (?) in the 10,000. Disappointed that he "wasn't tough enough mentally", he went home for the summer to Wayland, Mass/ He put a sign on his bedroom door, "You will not be broken, trained all summer with the GBTC, then ran the Falmouth Roads Race before heading back to school. He, Rodgers, Mike Roche, and Craig Virgin formed the final pack. Al was last to stick with Rodgers (5 1/2 miles) before heat prostration set in. He faded to 11th(?) was put in the tub of ice and given last rites. That fall (1978) he won the NCAA cross country title.

Who is doing the stereotyping?

Alberto Critic wrote:

I hate Salazar because I feel that he used drugs and has coached athletes that he has encouraged to use drugs but this question is STUPID. The first 2 years of college should be used to develop the necessary base to allow you to take your running to another level. It is ridiculous to try to judge performances during the building stage. What Alberto achieved in his running career is in large part due to the program that he was forced to do during his first 2 years in college.

Having said that, it was not a very good weekend for the Oregon Project. Although Browne ran a respectable race, the rest of the group ran like shit. Donnelly and Davis both DNF and Johnson was totally out of a slow tactical race by the mile.

Look, someone basically told me that Salazar ran slower his first two years at Oregon than he did his senior year in high school. Maybe I should have been more specific for you running gurus when I used the word "subpar." Again, all I was asking was a question. I never made any accusations that he ran slow. I simply DID NOT KNOW what he ran. For you to say that I was judging him is a STUPID statement. Not everyone is trying to cause a stir on this board. Learn how to seperate a question of interest, from a blatant statement. Not all of us were alive and kicking it in the early 80's. That's why some of us ask questions because were interested, and there is a lot of knowledgable people and elite runners(like Malmo) on this board who can give us the answers.

you could also do your own research

nd wrote:

you could also do your own research

Step down, you insular narcissist, and answer a sensible question if you have any insight!

Our sport needs to celebrate its history, not judge every person who steps up with a question with legitimate interest in this sport. We all have to want track badly to bother to even appear on this site, and I find it refreshing when runners born in the 80's ask about how this sport used to be. It's hopeful -- feed it!

By the way, the Rookie was not the most talented guy in the GBTC ... but he was certainly the most driven, and he got the best results. But please remember the role Bill Squires played in Salazar's career -- he remains the most under-rated distance coach in US history.

Malmo might know wrote:

I was simply asking a question because I wanted to know if what I heard was fact. You can use other ways to respond instead of the stereotypical snobby elite runner response.

I was simply asking a question too.

Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're still not out to get you!

malmo,

you're sure a crusty old som'bitch.

I like it!

So what's this story I hear that Mary Slaney and Al Salazar had their cars parked regularly at the same doctor's office you allegedly frequented to obtain steroids for training?

Is this rumor true, Malmo?

Al DNFed at DI XC in 1976, ran 13:47 for 5 as a freshman. finished ~4th in XC as a soph and ran 13:30s for 5.

won XC as a jr and was 2nd in his final year.

he did not use drugs during his best running years and was extremely ignorant of there actual usre and application.

malmo wrote:

Malmo might know wrote:

I was simply asking a question because I wanted to know if what I heard was fact. You can use other ways to respond instead of the stereotypical snobby elite runner response.

I was simply asking a question too.

Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're still not out to get you!

You knew the answer to your question champ! Paranoid of what? I know that you ran some fast times back in the day and I've read a lot of your posts. For the most part they seem extremely knowlegeable and helpful. Is there anything wrong with asking you a question that you might know something about? Do have the ability to answer a legit question without being sarcastic about it. How about, "He ran 7:43 and was an All American in cross country his first two seasons. Your sources were incorrect." That might be a more tactful response. I'm only 20 years old and can ask a respond to questions without being a jerk. How old are you?

Actually dude, in my read of the exchanges on this thread, your posts make you as big or bigger of a jerk.

I believe malmo's blunt response was aimed at your tone/style, rather than the content of your question.

Face it, buddy, you ARE a 20 year old jerk.

Face it Pete, your just a groupie who sucks up to anything a fast runner says. All I wanted to know was some info on 80s running. I asked a legit question and recieved a jerky response, so I fired back.

Actually bonehead, you asked a snot-nosed question, which I guess comes from the fact you're still wet behind the ears.

It wasn't a legit question. It was a lame question. Do a google search, or better yet check out your local library before you come on here, reveal your blatant ignorance and immaturity in one fell swoop, and then get all chippy because someone talks down to you.

(good thing you didn't post under your real name... imagine how stupid you'd look)

pete, shut up. the kid asked a legit question. leave him alone

OK, the original question was legit. The rest of the exchange has been inane. My bad (is it OK for older folk to say that?)

Plus, you get what you pay for when you ask malmo a question. If the kid knew enough to ask malmo a question, he shoulda known what kinda answer he might get.