Zak the rollerblader wrote:
NO WHITE MAN EVER RUN UNDER 10 SECONDS FOR HUNDRED - ABOUT 50 BLACK MEN HAVE
Actually someone recently did. I'll have to look up his name, but it was a semi-big deal at the time. I believe it was this year.
Zak the rollerblader wrote:
NO WHITE MAN EVER RUN UNDER 10 SECONDS FOR HUNDRED - ABOUT 50 BLACK MEN HAVE
Actually someone recently did. I'll have to look up his name, but it was a semi-big deal at the time. I believe it was this year.
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I knew you were making this into a PERSONAL race issue. Thats why I tried to explain in my last post - that I WASNT suggesting that black sprinters dont work hard to get where they are. However, you must admit that guys like John Capel - who ran under 20 in the 200, stepping from NFL, onto a track, and reportedly training seriously for a month, is pretty impressive. OK - so you can argue that in football they do shitloads of speed training (especially as Capel was a wide-reciever) however, as Michael Johnson will attest (read his book) the 200 is a very specialized and difficult event, because it has a very high anaerobic endurance component - something which must be trained specifically. So how is it possible for Capel to run so fast if he isnt a natural speedster. It aint.
As I alluded to - if you took an untrained white guy, and an untrained black guy - both living in the same middle class street, eating the same kind of stuff, livivng similar lifestyles (of course this will never happen, and is only theoretical - give me some credit, but for science sake we will say it is possible) and give them the same training etc etc, the black sprinter will win every time - Im sorry but he will. A better example would be to race them UNTRAINED, and I would attest, the black guy would win also.
But I am more interested in what you think of Kenderis and his validity?- that was what the initial post from ZAk was about.
But in this case interracial kids are better breeds. Maurice Greene has white and black parents. I;m sure you guys know that mixed breed is always better than only white or only black breed.
So I was trying to say that even Mo has BETTER EDGE than the black sprinters.
Good article on Kenteris here:http://www.athletics-ec-2002.com/aktuelles_var_en.php3?did=525
People used to wonder why he is never to be seen at meetings before big competitions and suddenly appears out of nowhere. Other runners want to get race experience, get in form by competing against other top athletes and ? of course ? earn a lot of money. According to the Greek national hero, he prefers to concentrate on training and lets the government take care for the rest: Until he became Olympic champion he had a kind of athletics scholarship at the University of Thessaloniki for seven years and was then sponsored by the government. He was rewarded 200.000 Euro for the Olympic title, 120.000 Euro for the World title and another 40.000 Euro for this year´s European title ? bonusses German athletes can only dream of for the Munich competition. And of course he has two sponsors ? Cosmote and Puma.
-Clay
Woronin and Ito have run 10.00. Its one hundredth of a frickin second, at 10 meters per second its a centimeter. I think we'll all get over it and move on. Casey Combest decided to do other things with his life instead of running.
In any event, can anyone explain (rationally) why Kenteris hides out in Greece except for big meets ? Does he actually go to big meets all the time and I'm ignorant ?
Doesn't this dude (and Thanou) get it that they look like druggies when they do this, whether they do or do not take something ?
So have you seen any scientific studies of this type carried out which definitely prove this ? I have not.
It has been very difficult to try and identify any genes that could be important for an increased individual capacity in running performance be it long distances or the sprints.
None of the studies have been at all conclusive. So it is near to impossible with our present knowledge in science to say whether or not certain populations do posess a higher frequency of the genes responsible which would enable them to 'run faster' .
The two things that are accepted in many studies is that cultural and environmental (eg born and bred at high altitude) factors are important when it comes to performance in sports.
I am not trying to make this a race issue, what I am saying is that with our current knowledge of science, we cannot qualify statements which say, "blacks are gentically faster that whites". It's a tough one I know given what we see in the sport right now.
As to Kendiris and the drugs issue, you cannot say who is not or who is definitely using performance enhancing drugs in the sport today. Sad but true.
If you consider the news reports that the american track and field association have allegedly covered up a whole bunch of positive tests, then this puts runners such as maurice green et. al. under just as much suspicion if you are to look at things objectively. This has nothing to with runners being black or white.
And finally, Kendiris and Menea have both ran 200m in under 20 secs. Somewhere in these races, they must have ran a 100m in under 10secs en route ? ..... unless they gallowalked of course :)
Zak wrote:
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Nicolas Macrozonaris has run 9.91w and 9.96w.
They might not be wind-legal, but you're still wrong.
besides Macrozonaris
Mennea ran 9.99 in a gale (+4.0)
ditto Sweden's Peter Karlsson, 9.98, +4.0
not to beat a dead horse, didn't ole Pietro admit to having a little help from modern science ?
wow, those are some big bonuses for the Euro champs for Kenteris . . . still doesn't necessarily solve why he (and Thanou) are so irregular at Grand Prix / Golden League meets outside of Greece
are you taking the piss? You reckon it counts - are you an idiot? So, If my friend from the UK Tyrone (10.28 legal) runs in a race where the wind is +7 ms - and he runs 9.99 - you reckon it counts. You cant be that stupid. Do you know what the exact wind readings were? You are a fool - go post on dyestat.
And.... where is this guy from? - it sounds Greek to me. Isnt that just strengthening my arguement?
In my humble experience I've found that I can run faster, longer, and jump higher than the great majority of black kids my age I've come across. And seeing as I didn't start running till this summer, I would qualify as untrained. Whoever said "if you raise a white kid and a black kid in the same enivornment the black kid will win every time" is basically saying every black man has more natural ability than every white man. How absurd is that?
OK big head. We are talking just sprinting here arent we?. Are we talking about running 11.5 for 100, or 10.1-.2 - like the multitude of black college guys out there.
One point I want to make, is how come practically every other stupid American out there has no problem coming out and saying "Boulami - busted... Mourhit busted...so El G is no doubt a cheat as well" when you have friggin Greeks appearing from nowhere to run 10.1s 100ms and sub 20 200m. Now thats absurd.
Huh? Multitude of black college guys are running 10.1 and 10.2? Where are you getting that from? At the largest track event in the country this year, the Penn Relays, the fastest men's 100m time was 10.31.
watch yourself Kartelite. This year there 25 collegiates under 10.30 and they were all non-Caucasian (Caribbean, African, African-American, etc.). I work for the Penn Relays and can say that the 100m there is not a good sample.
This thread was about Kenteris and Thanou. Can anyone offer any evidence other than speculation ? For El G, its the same. Equal opportunity here at letsrun.com.
so how do you solve the 'black heavyweight boxers as world champs' argument? Are they juts gifted or do they ahve a greater work ethic?
Anyone who says that caucasians and W. Africans have the same genetic ability for sprinting and other explosive sports is seriously deluded.
Blacks make up 20% or so of the US population. What percentage of top US sprinters are black, 100%.
Small-town all-white schools all field full squads of sprinters, they're just slow, it's not like not enough whites participate in 100-200m.
But, there are always exceptions. They are only exceptions to a "rule" though. There's also a really good chance that the Greeks are juiced IMO.
"There's also a really good chance that the Greeks are juiced IMO."
NEWSFLASH ~ theres also a really good chance the Americans are juiced too. Xenophobia....ooh! thats a Greek word ain't it?....is a very ugly phenomenon in athletics these days.
They are all probably juicing. In this case, the white juiced sprinter is beating all of the black juiced sprinters.
I agree with the earlier statement that most blacks are faster than most whites, but some whites are faster than most (myabe all) blacks. I also agree with Alan when he cites cultural effects.
Look at the recent basketball news. The US team, overwhelmingly black, loses to a couple of european teams, overwhelmingly white. (Granted, the U.S. did not play their superstars, but I believe the general argument still holds water.)
Why? In the U.S., it is generally accepted that white people do not make good basketball players because they lack the necessary athleticism. Those that do become good players are usually spot up shooters.
Not so in Europe. Those guys weren't afraid to challenge, and they did so effectively.