Kenderis and the other mysteriously fast Greeks

They are white so I guess it is genetically impossible for a white man to beat a black man in the sprints 'less the white man is doped.

Youre quite a fired up fellow there arent you...er...Mick.

Im not suggesting that at all. However (dumbass) it is a well - known genetic FACT, notice I put that in BOLD because its true, that black men, have a higher proportion of fast twitch fibres in their muscles, thus allowing them to run, and jump faster. Thats why the mens 100m world record has been held by black men (and woman) for about the last upmteen years, thats why no white man has EVER - check it DUMBASS, EVER broken 10 for the hundred - thats why the majority over 80% I believe, of NBA players - a sport that requires speed, and fast twitch fibre excellence... are black. Youre comment is so friggin stupid I outta slap you back to Alabama or wherever your dumbass came from. Who was the last white man to hold the 200m record - I'll answer for you dumbass - Pietro Mennea - 19.73 - back in the early eighties - he was from Italy - you reckon those guys along with half of friggin Europe were clean back then? - the Italians have trouble keeping themselves clean now you idiot. You dont reckon its suspicious in the least that these guys are NEVER seen in athletics circles, and come out and whop everyone - yes including some every fast BLACK English sprinters, and a certain Nigerian come Portugese runner who has gone 19.85 - you dont reckon? - how smart are you Maick - whaddya do for a living - deliver pizza? - it doesnt matter what you do for a living - all that matters is that my eyes are open - I can put 2 and 2 together like half the other brothers on this site, and yes - I would have to agree with you - with science and genetics firmly behind black sprinters - I would argue it is IMPOSSIBLE for a white sprinter to beat a black sprinter. It aint nuffin to be scared or jealous of MICK, its just the way it is - just like no matter what type of day it is - the sky above the clouds is always blue... like the sun will always shine... like the guys on the corner of 23rd and main will NEVER, EVER tip you when you deliver their pizzas, its FACT, and its the way it is. NOW CAN YOU DIG THAT SUCKA???

I have no idea what you just said?

possibly I am too intelligent for you - the other scenario which is just as likely is that you cant read. Let me put it in Laymans terms for you.

BLACK MEN = MORE FAST TWITCH FIBRE NATURALLY THAN WHITE MAN = FASTER SPRINT. IT IS FACT.

Other FACT

NO WHITE MAN EVER RUN UNDER 10 SECONDS FOR HUNDRED - ABOUT 50 BLACK MEN HAVE

OVER 200, THE ONLY WHITE MAN IN LAST 30 YEARS TO HOLD WORLD RECORD WAS MORE THAN LIKELY PART OF THE DRUG CULTURE THAT TORE THROUGH EUROPE IN THE LATE 70'S TO EARLY 90'S.

KENDERIS ONLY RUNS MAJOR EVENTS - I BELIEVE - TO AVOID THE SPOTLIGHT, AND POSSIBLE COMPETITION DRUG TESTING.

Is that simple enough for you brother??? - Do you have an idea now what I said, or were you just playing dumb before, cause I shot your crap comment out of the sky. That is the more likely scenario.

Hey! how about this for a radical scenario? I can accept that MOST black sprinters are faster than MOST white sprinters. However, SOME white sprinters are faster than SOME black sprinters. At the moment the fastest 200m (an event slightly in the doldrums in my view) sprinter in the world is a white man. That's it. End of.

Aren't drug tests supposed to conducted all year round?

How do you explain Armin Hary? He was so fast out of the blocks legally, that if he were running today, he would be given false starts.

Zak the rollerblader wrote:

possibly I am too intelligent for you - the other scenario which is just as likely is that you cant read. Let me put it in Laymans terms for you.

Doubt it.

Blowhard.

Caps Lock can be turned off.

i'm sick of these stupid ass pseudo scientific quotes about the muscle make up differing from race. There are more black people winning the sprints because there are more black people running them whereas white people tend to run more distance events ( look at any hs meet). You ever wonder what a talent like webb could've done if he concentrated onthe 2-4, i'm not saying he would've been the greatest but he would've been up there. The NBA is predominatley black also because of cultural reasons. I could explain further if u wanted me to but it's not just about genetics or fast twitch.

Jon Entine would have a field day with this thread....

First off, get it clear that we are talking about GROUPS not INDIVIDUALS. There are more people of east African decent with the body build/genetics to perform well in the distances races. That means that in a large GROUP there will be more east Africans than Europeans that are skinny, with a high natural VO2max, high % of slow twitch fibers, burn fat more readily, etc. There are certain advantages one can be born with that will make it EASIER for them to become fast distance runners. In a large population there are simply more of these "advantages" in east Africa. That DOESN'T mean that there are no slow east African distance runners or that no runner of European decent could ever run with the best in the world. It simply means that as a GROUP east Africans outperform everyone else in the distance events. But, there will always be INDIVIDUAL exceptions. There will always be INDIVIDUALS from across the globe who can and will perform at a high level. But we are talking about GROUPS, not INDIVIDUALS.

Now, the same can also be said for those of WEST African decent in regards to the sprints. Just about every black American is of west African decent. In fact, just about every black who is not in Africa is of west African decent because of the slave trade. So, that same principles as above can be used here with west Africans and the sprints. I'd also say that there are more whites running the sprints, especially in high school. But, who do you see outperforming them? It has nothing to do with culture or numbers, it's simple Darwinism. The best will survive, the others will give up on the sprints.

Also, the same principles can be used when looking at other sports. Look at amateur wrestling, or powerlifting, anything that requires enormous strength and power and you will see A LOT of Eastern Europeans.

Alan

I totally agree Alan.

you see alot of eastern europeans in powerlifting events because the sports have popularity there just like a lot of nba players are black because it is a popular sport around african americans and baseball popular among hispanics. Since fast twitch and slow twitch are constantly being developed wouldnt it serve that when u test people who've been running their whole lives that they'll tend to have more slow twitch muslces. As for the body type I know alot of east and west africans who's body type changed dramatically after a couple of years in the us and conforming to our way of life and diet. I think it comes down to my coaches explanation about why the kenyans were dominant. Look at the percentage of their population that runs ( look at the population of african americans that sprint compared to white kids). Whenever you have a larger amount of people doing something you'll inevitably have a greater probability of having a great sucess come out of the program. BAsically the only way to measure fast twich comparison would be to measure in babies which i dont think they've done so culture inevitbly plays a role in the study making it invalid. I must say though that i was impressed with ur post and it did bring up interesting points about the majority of African Amreicans being of west african descent however look at an AFrican American and compare just his appearance to an african, it's very different because African AMericans much like latinos ( hispanics?) have gene pools that are mixed with many other races so i dont think ur genetics argumentis accurate. holla.

I hate to say it - but Zak, and his riduculous blonde mullet are right.

However, perhaps you should have been a little more specific Zak, because black men could technically include Kenyans, Ethiopians etc - which the statistics would suggest are great sprinters at all.

Not right about everything - but he is correct when he says that black sprinters are faster than white sprinters.

Honestly - the facts back it up. No white sprinter has ever broken 10 seconds for 100m - and that is basically a minimum requirement now for being a world class sprinter. The same over 200m. And thats not just best time wise - but also in Major championships.

Why will more people not just admit that black men make better sprinters than white men. Just like there are very few african-american top long distance runners - because they do not have the same amount of white twitch endurance fibres to white americans.

Never, has Zak said that there was not potential for white men to run fast - HOWEVER, if you take an untrained african-american, an english sprinter with carribean background, a crribean sprinter and gave them the same sprint training as a an untrained white man - then there is absolutely no question, and I stress ABSOLUTELY no question that the black sprinters would run faster.

Go easy on those ridiculous cut-off jean shorts, buoffant hair style, and grease monkey fingers fellas.

you completely missed my point, my point is that the carribean sprinter would be faster not because he is inherantly faster but because ( i grew up in the carribean) we would race everyday and do alot more physical activity, plus i think i ate 3 cheeseburgers in my whole life before coming to this country. My point is that all the info on fast twitch ratio is unrelable because the muscles are developed based on activity, people dont live in a vacum, their culture not their race predisposes them to certain activities andwill determine their fast twitch ratio- not their race/ethnicity. THe best example of this would be hispanic baseball players, how else would you explain such a relativley small percentage of the overall population dominating a sport, do they have pitch and catch muscles or is it just that their culture shows a history of sucess at baseball and sucess breeds sucess. AS for the no white sprinter under 10 seconds thing, you ever think that maybe one of the gifted white athletes playing other sports ( that their culture views as more important) might have the skills to go under 10 seconds. holla

?man, although I understand your cultural / environmental argument, basketball is *very* popular with white boys in the US, yet the best NBA basketball players consistently tend to be black. And as to your "cheeseburger" argument, most of those great black basketball players were raised in the US and therefore were subject to the detrimental diet and lifestyle that is prevalent here and yet still are dominant.

Sorry dude - I argue that sprinters who are black (african american - carribean etc) are most definetly inherintly faster than white sprinters. What is the big deal in just admitting it. Im not suggesting that the top black sprinters have not worked very hard to get where they are - which I have feeling you may think I am implying. The top white sprinters in the world (Shirvington, Ito, Urbas) train just as hard as guys like Greene, Chambers - yet are still not up to the standard of these guys. Why - cause they are born FAST. Period, and with the right attitude and training - they seriously kick ass.

Valeri Borzov to you

maurice greene is an interracial-marriage breed. so MO got lil edge n advantage over other rivals.

im also suspecting kenderis.

he's been 2 years making fame of his name in the sport arena, just popped up like that.

ok let me try to explain myself a little better, let's say koji ito is probably japans fastest sprinter. Now i'm just saying that there are probably more naturally gifted japanese athletes out there who perhaps are doing other sports. I'm saying it's about what's valued. The same is true for the basketball argument. I live in NYC and there's never an empty basketball court but in suburban PA where i go to school it's hard to find enough people to play. The competition in the cities makes u tougher and a better ballplayer, I think it's the same thing in the sprints too. You acquire an arragance and a swagger in the inner city that i think is key to becoming a sucessful sprinter.

the reason i do take offense to it is because it's stupid and it's time we move past stupid ass sterotypes abot each other and i do think it takes away from the achievement of black sprinters to say that alot of it is natural. I also think that's part of the problem, white kid grow up thinking that sprinter is a black activity or that they could never excel in it thereby completing the circle. lemme know what u think