Clown shoes.
This is more like a 1:49. Just like the slew of sub-4 guys would be running 4:08 in real shoes.
Still impressive though.
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Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
Clown shoes.
This is more like a 1:49. Just like the slew of sub-4 guys would be running 4:08 in real shoes.
Still impressive though.
people downvoting this know its somewhat true. For 800/1500/mile it's less about the shoes during the race and more about the use of super shoes in training that allows for compounding effects over time. It's why it took 2-3 years post super shoe release to start seeing this crazy stuff happening, it's more the ability to train harder and get injured less than just throwing on a new pair of spikes and getting 3 seconds faster. It's still the shoes, nonetheless.
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That 1:44 low will be sweet by his senior year
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nike COO wrote:
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
Clown shoes.
This is more like a 1:49. Just like the slew of sub-4 guys would be running 4:08 in real shoes.
Still impressive though.
people downvoting this know its somewhat true. For 800/1500/mile it's less about the shoes during the race and more about the use of super shoes in training that allows for compounding effects over time. It's why it took 2-3 years post super shoe release to start seeing this crazy stuff happening, it's more the ability to train harder and get injured less than just throwing on a new pair of spikes and getting 3 seconds faster. It's still the shoes, nonetheless.
Yes and no. The super shoes come in most handy the last lap of a race when you get up on your toes and start sprinting in as you spring forward much faster and everyone can close much faster than they could before. Plus, I’ve coached lots of kids that first race in super shoes they set 5 second PR in the mile across-the-board.
At the elite level, I would say super shoes are worth roughly 1 second per lap average.
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sit down unc wrote:
Supershoes ruined wrote:
supershoes have ruined the sport
here yall oldheads go again
You both bring up good points.
"Oldheads" are correct that the times can't be compared (apples to apples) to the times of the olden days. For Lutkenhaus be 0.1 seconds faster over 800m in supershoes means he would not have been faster in the old shoes. The shoes are great and work well for both racing and training.
But "sit down unc" is also 100% right that it hasn't "ruined the sport." In fact, the sport is doing great. As far as I can see, this era is one of the most fun to watch and the races have been more competitive than in generations past. The kids a doing great, keep it up!
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Here's a clip of the finish
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People say 1 second per lap as if that’s a conservative estimate when especially at an elite level it isn’t. You mean to tell me bekele could have run in the low 12:20s or hicham could have run 3:38 in the mile? I realize it does make a significant difference, but the 1 second per lap doesn’t seem accurate or that simple.
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BetterLives wrote:
nike COO wrote:
people downvoting this know its somewhat true. For 800/1500/mile it's less about the shoes during the race and more about the use of super shoes in training that allows for compounding effects over time. It's why it took 2-3 years post super shoe release to start seeing this crazy stuff happening, it's more the ability to train harder and get injured less than just throwing on a new pair of spikes and getting 3 seconds faster. It's still the shoes, nonetheless.
Yes and no. The super shoes come in most handy the last lap of a race when you get up on your toes and start sprinting in as you spring forward much faster and everyone can close much faster than they could before. Plus, I’ve coached lots of kids that first race in super shoes they set 5 second PR in the mile across-the-board.
At the elite level, I would say super shoes are worth roughly 1 second per lap average.
No way it’s a second per lap. Look at Jakob’s times +3.75 and his times from before the shoes (3:30.16 in 2019 vs 3:26.73 + 3.75 = 3:30.48 in 2024) or other runners times from before the shoes (Nick Willis 3:29.66 for example)
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Here's the full race. Cooper led from gun to tape. Amazing performance
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First of all. It’s not the undocumented immigrants who are protesting. It’s the U.S. citizens who are tired of being harassed and community terrorized by ICE and their no warrant arrests. It’s hard to see all the violence but frankly if or when my community gets harassed by those ICE “officer” rest assure I will also come out and protest. They keep forgetting that the community belongs to US. And they work for US. Either do your job right or be ready for the community to put you in your place. Good job LA.
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nike COO wrote:
Chef Gordon Ramzi wrote:
Clown shoes.
This is more like a 1:49. Just like the slew of sub-4 guys would be running 4:08 in real shoes.
Still impressive though.
people downvoting this know its somewhat true. For 800/1500/mile it's less about the shoes during the race and more about the use of super shoes in training that allows for compounding effects over time. It's why it took 2-3 years post super shoe release to start seeing this crazy stuff happening, it's more the ability to train harder and get injured less than just throwing on a new pair of spikes and getting 3 seconds faster. It's still the shoes, nonetheless.
Just imagine what Rudisha could’ve with access to super shoes? 1:38?
EL G 3:21?
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World age group record as well
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He’s not too bad at XC either
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UngusBungus wrote:
He’s got a 1:45 low in him, he looked more relaxed than usual the last 50 (looking back without straining) while negative splitting my a second.
Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
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McRunnin wrote:
He did it!
Was at the meet. Not in Seattle, despite what Brooks website said. Rather, at Renton High School, about 15-20 miles to the SE. Temps touching 90, but relatively low humidity. Wind gauge gave readings of 1.0+ tailwind, but headwind on the long backstretch seemed higher. Events stayed on time. Very poor media for this meet, as has been true for the past several years of Brooks PR, even with Josh Kerr in attendance. Nothing in the Seattle Times. Stands were about half to three quarters full. Then again, University of Washington track team gets little to no coverage. So much for sports track reporting in the area. Hats off to the athletes who participated after a busy high school season and multiple national shoe meets to attend.
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Or he could just go pro after this year. He's clearly in 1:45.5 shape right now and could get a pro contract, similar to Knighton
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tryagain wrote:
UngusBungus wrote:
He’s got a 1:45 low in him, he looked more relaxed than usual the last 50 (looking back without straining) while negative splitting my a second.
Some of you know very little about running- looking relaxed does not mean that one can necessarily go faster. That relaxed look and gait likely contributed greatly to his fast time. He seems to be a strong kid and does a wonderful job at maintaining form.
Now can he go faster? Very likely. He ran sub 1:47 way back in indoors and his open 400 is blazing. Breaking 1:46 this summer is in the cards.
He got 2 more years to break his own HS record too
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Slow down son wrote:
McRunnin wrote:
Agreed. Crazy to think he’s only 16. If he’s this fast now, what will he be capable of running his senior year??
Do you also think Quincy Wilson will be running 43-low in in his senior year?
No chance. I don't think he'll hit anywhere near 44.20 anytime soon tbh
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Great run by Lutkenhaus, but still gotta appreciate Michael GOATville's run from 1996. Wayyy pre-supershoe, advanced training, all that crap.
And the man ran it completely solo, zero competition, from the gun to the line, fighting only himself along the way.
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