We had Alan Webb as a singular resurgence. But after the Coe, Ovett, Cram, Steve Scott years, there was a dearth of middle distance running. And it’s just come back in such a huge way since like 2012
Kejelcha is probably the #1 or #2 runner in the world due to his range. I love the way he runs.
Unfortunately, I think gebrehiwet is the only one who may break the wr. His body weight is really low. Very close to how haile used to run. Short, effortless. I do not like this style of running, but these ppl all come from the same tribe in Ethiopia.
Yomif is a rare breed and totally different than the others. He's more a neguse style.
When reading this my first thought was that Aregawi (at least at the moment) probably is stronger than Kejelcha.
Aregawi was the only one who was close to Jakob in the 2024 WR race in the 3000m AND almost beat him in the indoor WC 3000m a couple of months ago.
BUT I acknowledge that Kejelcha has an amazing range from 3:47 in the mile to 57:30 which numbers are NOT fully reflected in his World ranking:
When you argue that Kejelcha is #1 or 2 runner in the world I suppose you mean in MD and LD running?
World ranking for other top runners:
Gebrhiwet: 5000m: #2. Overall: 24.
Fisher: 5000m: #5: 10000m: #2. Overall: #17.
Kiplimo: 10000m: #8. Overall: 33.
Kerr: 1500m: #4. Overall: #59.
Nuguse: 1500m: 2. Overall: 15.
Hocker: 1500m: #3. 5000m: #36. Overall: #18.
Kessler: 1500m: #6. 800m: #50. Overall: 78.
Two runners are, however, significantly higher ranked than the above mentioned.
The first, Emmanuel Wanyonyi, is # 1 in the 800m and #9 overall. And it is obvious that he would increase his overall ranking significantly if he ran some more 1500/ mile/2000m races so he was ranked also on the 1500m.
The top MD and LD runner is........(Armstrong will probably dispute it fiercely) Jakob who is ranked #1 in the 1500m, #3 in the 5000m and # 2 overall (after Duplantis; Tebogo is #3; Lyles # 7 and Bednarek #8).
Cheptegei set the record in hot, humid conditions, so he was already in shape to run low 12:30s. The shoes and pacing lights have added a significant advantage beyond that. They should be there, 12:30-31 territory. Jakob will be good for sub-12:30 when he is in similar shape to his 7:17 last year.
Cheptegei set the record in hot, humid conditions, so he was already in shape to run low 12:30s. The shoes and pacing lights have added a significant advantage beyond that. They should be there, 12:30-31 territory. Jakob will be good for sub-12:30 when he is in similar shape to his 7:17 last year.
Cheptegei had the shoes and the lights when he set the record though. And we don’t know what the conditions will be in Oslo. This record has come down just 4 seconds in 30 years. I’d be very surprised if it came down 4 seconds in one day, and even more surprised if multiple people broke it in one race.
Cheptegei set the record in hot, humid conditions, so he was already in shape to run low 12:30s. The shoes and pacing lights have added a significant advantage beyond that. They should be there, 12:30-31 territory. Jakob will be good for sub-12:30 when he is in similar shape to his 7:17 last year.
Cheptegei had the shoes and the lights when he set the record though. And we don’t know what the conditions will be in Oslo. This record has come down just 4 seconds in 30 years. I’d be very surprised if it came down 4 seconds in one day, and even more surprised if multiple people broke it in one race.
I'd be surprised too and I don't disagree with your points. But Jakob took down the 3000m WR by 3 seconds. That would be a much larger jump than 12:32 in the 5000.
will they have pacing lights, pacers, a carrot on the end of a stick, spring loaded shoes and a moving track to get them the world record or will they break it doing it old school - racing against each other
Here’s what’s gonna happen. They’ll most likely break it. Then everyone will say one of these 3 folks will finally take down Jakob at Worlds. Then at worlds, he’ll absolutely break them (this isn’t new).
I wouldn't really describe what Ingebrigtsen does in championship 5000s as "breaking" his opponents. He outkicks them. (Similarly, I wouldn't say Hocker or Kerr "broke" Ingebrigtsen in the 1500 -- they outkicked him.)
Ingebrigtsen is unlikely to be able to "break" Aregawi etc in a championship 5000, although if healthy he can certainly outkick them. Whether he could break them in a paced 5000 remains to be seen since he has yet to run a very fast 5000. Unfortunately the injury will rob us of the opportunity to see it.
The problem with having 3 guys all going for the record is that none of them will want to be the one pushing the pace once the pacer steps off. Kejelcha seems like the most likely to take the front but if they could work as a team they might all be capable.
Coorect, so why don't we just allow mechanical pacemakers.
If you aren't going to do that, then let's just say they have to be set as a time trial with no pacers.
I dont like how it currently works. Whoever has themost money and can hire the best pacers has the best shot.
So we'll call it the Robert Johnson rule considering I used to be a pacemaker - "Mechanical pacemakers are allowed."
Here’s what’s gonna happen. They’ll most likely break it. Then everyone will say one of these 3 folks will finally take down Jakob at Worlds. Then at worlds, he’ll absolutely break them (this isn’t new).
I wouldn't really describe what Ingebrigtsen does in championship 5000s as "breaking" his opponents. He outkicks them. (Similarly, I wouldn't say Hocker or Kerr "broke" Ingebrigtsen in the 1500 -- they outkicked him.)
Ingebrigtsen is unlikely to be able to "break" Aregawi etc in a championship 5000, although if healthy he can certainly outkick them. Whether he could break them in a paced 5000 remains to be seen since he has yet to run a very fast 5000. Unfortunately the injury will rob us of the opportunity to see it.
Are you joking? The person who wins is the guy who ran the best race and is the fittest. He broke everyone in Paris, and in Budapest, and in Eugene.
The difference between what happens in the 1500m is that Ingebrigtsen loses by milleseconds due to drafting benefits and lack of pacing the guys behind him benefit from. In the 5000m he wins by a much larger margin (almost 20-30 meters other than Budapest). That is a sign of strength not speed.
I wish Fisher would get in this rather than jogging a 9 minute 3k in grand slam
Remember that financial aspects play a very large part in the decisions that professionals will make. I cannot imagine that Oslo would pay much of an appearance fee for the American Fisher to run Oslo when compared to the possible $50,000 dangled in front of him in Philadelphia.
Here’s what’s gonna happen. They’ll most likely break it. Then everyone will say one of these 3 folks will finally take down Jakob at Worlds. Then at worlds, he’ll absolutely break them (this isn’t new).
We do have to note that Kejelcha and Aregawi are unlikely to be in the 5000. For better or for worse, Ethiopian typically only does a selection race for the 10,000. Their system for the 5,000 is flawed so that someone can snipe a spot from another athlete in a late Diamond League. They also discourage doubling As a result, the 5,000 team is usually weaker and younger. I'd expect the same this year with 3 of Barega, Kejelcha, Aregawi, and Haile Bekele making up the 10,000 with none of them doubling. For the 5,000, it'll probably be Gebrhiwet, Kuma Girma, and then either Mehary, Yihune or Haile Bekele. But of the latter 3 and Gebrhiwet, they might peak for the late DL to hit the times and be fried by Tokyo. Ditto Gebrhiwet. I guess we'll see.
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the paid pacers after they burn out, if i were in the race, i'd make a pact to have us switch the lead every 200 m 300m and come the bell, may the best man win.
for records they are an is what it is thing in the first place.
wind altitude track shoes peds pacing bicarb amphetamines the hacks of the day
they are what they are
the masses don't know anything except the time without details, retarteed
the in the know letsrunners here know very well what constitutes a superior effort
problem is some people in the know are tempted to argue with the masses/morons
jacob is probably 40 meters better than this lot, though the guy that finished second in the 3000m world record just might jump to the next level, as the guy was already capable of 5000m WR
Here’s what’s gonna happen. They’ll most likely break it. Then everyone will say one of these 3 folks will finally take down Jakob at Worlds. Then at worlds, he’ll absolutely break them (this isn’t new).
We do have to note that Kejelcha and Aregawi are unlikely to be in the 5000. For better or for worse, Ethiopian typically only does a selection race for the 10,000. Their system for the 5,000 is flawed so that someone can snipe a spot from another athlete in a late Diamond League. They also discourage doubling As a result, the 5,000 team is usually weaker and younger. I'd expect the same this year with 3 of Barega, Kejelcha, Aregawi, and Haile Bekele making up the 10,000 with none of them doubling. For the 5,000, it'll probably be Gebrhiwet, Kuma Girma, and then either Mehary, Yihune or Haile Bekele. But of the latter 3 and Gebrhiwet, they might peak for the late DL to hit the times and be fried by Tokyo. Ditto Gebrhiwet. I guess we'll see.
I don't know about barega, but yeah... Does Li-ning have any track spikes if he were to go back to the track?