Someone needs to educate Hobbs Kessler about nutrition

R&R wrote:

800 dude wrote:

You think it's the job of moderators to censor every "incorrect" point of view? That's never been LR policy, and it would be totally unworkable. It would also be counterproductive. When people post things that are "incorrect," others can respond with better information, and everyone is better off. If you censor people, you've convinced nobody, you've educated nobody, and you create conspiracy theorists who are convinced that "they don't want you to know the truth." When Wejo said this thread was "fine," he didn't mean the OP was right. He meant that this is something that we can talk about.

FWIW, I agree that Kessler's nutrition is absolutely fine. If there's a time for refined sugar, it's during or immediately after workouts. And while there are non-crazy arguments for avoiding dyes and certain preservatives, that's well beyond the realm of established nutrition science. More like, "it's conceivable (but unproven) that there could be some very small, long term risk associated with certain chemicals, if consumed in very large quantities."

Thank you, glad to see that some people still have common sense.

malmo wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

this thread is fine and shouldn't have been deleted.

-Weldon

No wejo. The OP is full of ignorance and false information. The thread should have been deleted. It's dumb.
Kessler is consulting with two expert scientists. Lets face it, wejo, neither YOU nor the OP has a background in science.

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist and elite ultrarunner. Burns, who earned his PhD in kinesiology from the University of Michigan, has known Kessler since his days as a high school star in Ann Arbor, Mich., and often consults with the inquisitive Kessler on aspects of his training.

“…The crux of that is carbohydrate availability. Carbohydrates are king.
Essentially the dialogue then became, honestly, if nothing else, just
prioritize getting in carbohydrates, at a minimum, after every run,
immediately. People talk about, say, a 30-minute window or whatever. I’m
more of a proponent of a 5-10 minute window. Literally as soon as you
stop your watch, you need to have a plan for getting ample amounts of
carbohydrates in your body.”

“There is a lot of research on getting sugar immediately after training spiking your insulin levels,
which actually improves recovery,” says Maddie Harris, a former University of Colorado runner and registered dietitian specializing in sports nutrition for endurance athletes. “It actually
improves muscle glycogen storage, so you’re better at refueling and storing those carbs where they need to be post-training.”

Burns and Harris are two experts. The OP is not, he is a child. If he had a point he would put his name to his posts, and also cite his credentials. Wejo., you know why he cannot do either.

wejo wrote:

malmo wrote:

No wejo. The OP is full of ignorance and false information. The thread should have been deleted. It's dumb.
Kessler is consulting with two expert scientists. Lets face it, wejo, neither YOU nor the OP has a background in science.

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist and elite ultrarunner. Burns, who earned his PhD in kinesiology from the University of Michigan, has known Kessler since his days as a high school star in Ann Arbor, Mich., and often consults with the inquisitive Kessler on aspects of his training.

“…The crux of that is carbohydrate availability. Carbohydrates are king.
Essentially the dialogue then became, honestly, if nothing else, just
prioritize getting in carbohydrates, at a minimum, after every run,
immediately. People talk about, say, a 30-minute window or whatever. I’m
more of a proponent of a 5-10 minute window. Literally as soon as you
stop your watch, you need to have a plan for getting ample amounts of
carbohydrates in your body.”

“There is a lot of research on getting sugar immediately after training spiking your insulin levels,
which actually improves recovery,” says Maddie Harris, a former University of Colorado runner and registered dietitian specializing in sports nutrition for endurance athletes. “It actually
improves muscle glycogen storage, so you’re better at refueling and storing those carbs where they need to be post-training.”

Burns and Harris are two experts. The OP is not, he is a child. If he had a point he would put his name to his posts, and also cite his credentials. Wejo., you know why he cannot do either.

Malmo as a moderator I'm a bit surprised you label this "false information":

The dude is a huge talent, but he needs help with his nutrition. It’s hard to watch his video promoting Rice Krispie Treats and Fruit Snacks. These things don’t help him at all, he’s putting food dyes and chemicals in his body and doesn’t understand what he’s saying.

That is someone's opinion. It's what letsrun is about. In today's age, I don't find it surprising at all that someone might think Rice Krispie treats aren't a good thing for a pro athlete to put in their body. It's a discussion worth having. Or if Hobbs' diet is really good then people should hear why. This thread is whey we have these forums so people can learn more about subjects that might improve their running.

wejo wrote:

malmo wrote:

No wejo. The OP is full of ignorance and false information. The thread should have been deleted. It's dumb.
Kessler is consulting with two expert scientists. Lets face it, wejo, neither YOU nor the OP has a background in science.

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist and elite ultrarunner. Burns, who earned his PhD in kinesiology from the University of Michigan, has known Kessler since his days as a high school star in Ann Arbor, Mich., and often consults with the inquisitive Kessler on aspects of his training.

“…The crux of that is carbohydrate availability. Carbohydrates are king.
Essentially the dialogue then became, honestly, if nothing else, just
prioritize getting in carbohydrates, at a minimum, after every run,
immediately. People talk about, say, a 30-minute window or whatever. I’m
more of a proponent of a 5-10 minute window. Literally as soon as you
stop your watch, you need to have a plan for getting ample amounts of
carbohydrates in your body.”

“There is a lot of research on getting sugar immediately after training spiking your insulin levels,
which actually improves recovery,” says Maddie Harris, a former University of Colorado runner and registered dietitian specializing in sports nutrition for endurance athletes. “It actually
improves muscle glycogen storage, so you’re better at refueling and storing those carbs where they need to be post-training.”

Burns and Harris are two experts. The OP is not, he is a child. If he had a point he would put his name to his posts, and also cite his credentials. Wejo., you know why he cannot do either.

Malmo as a moderator I'm a bit surprised you label this "false information":

The dude is a huge talent, but he needs help with his nutrition. It’s hard to watch his video promoting Rice Krispie Treats and Fruit Snacks.

malmo wrote:

wejo wrote:

Malmo as a moderator I'm a bit surprised you label this "false information":

The dude is a huge talent, but he needs help with his nutrition. It’s hard to watch his video promoting Rice Krispie Treats and Fruit Snacks.

Because it is false information wejo. As a founder of this website, and someone without even any classwork or background in science or biochemistry, I'm surprised that you are allowing false information on the topic. Where did you get the idea that he needs help in nutrition? Are you the original poster?

Kessler doesn't need help with nutrition HE'S GETTING IT FROM TWO PROFESSIONALS. Neither you nor the OP have a background in nutrition. Why do you insist on dismissing the experts?

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist, Maddie Harris, a registered dietitian. are both accredited scientists. You are not. Could you at least cite your academic coursework in either of those fields? Not to push you into a corner Wejo, but at least provide some of your scientific credentials? Repeating garbage "science" isn't going to cut it.

Just cite your credentials. I could accept that.

malmo wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

this thread is fine and shouldn't have been deleted.

-Weldon

No wejo. The OP is full of ignorance and false information. The thread should have been deleted. It's dumb.
Kessler is consulting with two expert scientists. Lets face it, wejo, neither YOU nor the OP has a background in science.

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist and elite ultrarunner. Burns, who earned his PhD in kinesiology from the University of Michigan, has known Kessler since his days as a high school star in Ann Arbor, Mich., and often consults with the inquisitive Kessler on aspects of his training.

“…The crux of that is carbohydrate availability. Carbohydrates are king.
Essentially the dialogue then became, honestly, if nothing else, just
prioritize getting in carbohydrates, at a minimum, after every run,
immediately. People talk about, say, a 30-minute window or whatever. I’m
more of a proponent of a 5-10 minute window. Literally as soon as you
stop your watch, you need to have a plan for getting ample amounts of
carbohydrates in your body.”

“There is a lot of research on getting sugar immediately after training spiking your insulin levels,
which actually improves recovery,” says Maddie Harris, a former University of Colorado runner and registered diletitian specializing in sports nutrition for endurance athletes. “It actually
improves muscle glycogen storage, so you’re better at refueling and storing those carbs where they need to be post-training.”

Burns and Harris are two experts. The OP is not, he is a child. If he had a point he would put his name to his posts, and also cite his credentials. Wejo., you know why he cannot do either.

wejo wrote:

malmo wrote:

No wejo. The OP is full of ignorance and false information. The thread should have been deleted. It's dumb.
Kessler is consulting with two expert scientists. Lets face it, wejo, neither YOU nor the OP has a background in science.

Geoff Burns, a USOPC physiologist and elite ultrarunner. Burns, who earned his PhD in kinesiology from the University of Michigan, has known Kessler since his days as a high school star in Ann Arbor, Mich., and often consults with the inquisitive Kessler on aspects of his training.

“…The crux of that is carbohydrate availability. Carbohydrates are king.
Essentially the dialogue then became, honestly, if nothing else, just
prioritize getting in carbohydrates, at a minimum, after every run,
immediately. People talk about, say, a 30-minute window or whatever. I’m
more of a proponent of a 5-10 minute window. Literally as soon as you
stop your watch, you need to have a plan for getting ample amounts of
carbohydrates in your body.”

“There is a lot of research on getting sugar immediately after training spiking your insulin levels,
which actually improves recovery,” says Maddie Harris, a former University of Colorado runner and registered dietitian specializing in sports nutrition for endurance athletes. “It actually
improves muscle glycogen storage, so you’re better at refueling and storing those carbs where they need to be post-training.”

Burns and Harris are two experts. The OP is not, he is a child. If he had a point he would put his name to his posts, and also cite his credentials. Wejo., you know why he cannot do either.

Malmo as a moderator I'm a bit surprised you label this "false information":

The dude is a huge talent, but he needs help with his nutrition. It’s hard to watch his video promoting Rice Krispie Treats and Fruit Snacks. These things don’t help him at all, he’s putting food dyes and chemicals in his body and doesn’t understand what he’s saying.

That is someone's opinion. It's what letsrun is about. In today's age, I don't find it surprising at all that someone might think Rice Krispie treats aren't a good thing for a pro athlete to put in their body. It's a discussion worth having. Or if Hobbs' diet is really good then people should hear why. This thread is whey we have these forums so people can learn more about subjects that might improve their running.