Jakob will break it once the distance becomes more relevant. I don’t think the record holder in the 13.1 miles event is a very appealing title. Just washed up athletes getting 6th place in Olympic finals hitting their mid 30s who need to make some cash. Same with the 26.2 mile event, it got hyped by Nike and marketing but they are both events for washed up distance runners who have lost their speed 💯
When it comes to long distance running, the Africans are clearly superior. It isn’t even close, and guys like Jakob cannot match them either. Kiplimo has run 56:42, and even though I find this time a bit suspicious, how is it that the best non-Africans would have more than a half mile left when he finishes?
Exactly! Whites and others have too much neanderthal dna! Africans are perfectly formed for distance running. Racists like Coevett may deny it, but it's true! Look at their calves for Christ's sake! They remind me of the legs of a 19th century grand piano, perhaps a Chickering or a Baldwin. Did you know that the Victorians actually covered up the legs of pianos, lest the sight of the perfectly formed pins sent men into deleriums of bacchanal lust? It's the same for me when I watch an African like Kiplimo in full flight! I have to force myself to look at his upper body only. If I look down at his legs, I actually feel dizzy!
When it comes to long distance running, the Africans are clearly superior. It isn’t even close, and guys like Jakob cannot match them either. Kiplimo has run 56:42, and even though I find this time a bit suspicious, how is it that the best non-Africans would have more than a half mile left when he finishes?
When it comes to long distance running, the Africans are clearly superior. It isn’t even close, and guys like Jakob cannot match them either. Kiplimo has run 56:42, and even though I find this time a bit suspicious, how is it that the best non-Africans would have more than a half mile left when he finishes?
Hi Hoady, good to see now you're edging towards being honest with your identity. You should register 'Hoady' before somebody else does.
Track is where the glory is at, road racing is where the money is at (if you are East African).
Realistically, how many full-time marathoners are there in the USA or Europe? Two dozen men? How many full-time marathoners are there in East Africa? Literally hundreds. Add the fact that most of the European and Americans are either clean or limited in their ability to dope, and that the vast majority or even all of the East Africans are doped to the extent they are getting caught with things like rat poison, then it's a hardly a surprise they run a few minutes faster when EPO undoubtedly does give you a few minutes extra.
History reminder: Before EPO, no Kenyan had run under 2:09, and more Japanese than Ethiopians had.
The recent half-marathon record is worth a 1:58:xx marathon. By the time a US runner gets down to 2:04 they will still be firmly planted between the mens and womens world record times. Perhaps closer to the womens.
All this has been beaten to death many times with little certainty to anything, but here is what all arguments will inevitably bump into:
You are either a eugenicist or a racist. You are a eugenicist if you believe Africans are fundamentally superior at something as basic a human activity as running (in that if superior running is possible within a large group of people, why not inferior IQ?) or you think all large groups of humans have equal potential, in which case the only explanation is that the Africans dope more presumably (only) because they have weaker morals, which makes you a racist.
A better argument would be the fact that Africans have far greater genetic diversity than any other group. This is based on what we know of the genome now. So it is likely that the best and the worst in x or y would be from Africa, be that athletic talent or IQ.
It’s easy to say politically correct “truthy” sounding things, but you really need some — or any — empirical data to defend the far-fetched claim that Africans, or even just Kenyans and Ethiopians, are smarter than other peoples.
That is a very interesting stat. It's only a matter of time before non-Africans break that barrier though. Especially when Mantz develops even more and the likes of Almgren, Grant, Jakob, Gressier, etc. go for the distance more seriously
When it comes to long distance running, the Africans are clearly superior. It isn’t even close, and guys like Jakob cannot match them either. Kiplimo has run 56:42, and even though I find this time a bit suspicious, how is it that the best non-Africans would have more than a half mile left when he finishes?
When it comes to long distance running, the africans are clearly superior in utilizing EPO.
If you make the following reasonable assumptions :
a) Virtually all East Africans are doping.
b) Doping cuts at least 3 minutes off half-marathon times.
c) The best non-African runners are mostly clean.
Then the all-time toplist looks very different.
Currently, the top 91 times were set by East African descent runners, with Conner Mantz at 92 the top non-African. But lets adjust the top list. Here would be the top 10:
1. Conner Mantz 59:17
2. Andreas Almgren 59:23
3. Tomoki Ota 59:27
4. Kotaro SHINOHARA 59:30
5. Marilson GOMES DOS SANTOS 59:33
6. Carlos Meyer 59:39 7.Samuel BARATA 59:40
8.Pietro RIVA 59:41
9.Jacob KIPLIMO 59:42
10.Ryan Hall 59:43
11.Jimmy GRESSIER 59:46
Of course, if East Africans were banned or somehow doping controls were so effective that they couldn't dope, then the times of the non-Africans would shoot up because they would be competing for the top spots, the prize money, the glory, just as standards have gone up for non-African runners on the track, particularly in the 1500m and increasingly the 5000m. Also, the East African times would drop off the cliff, because they wouldn't be competing for prize money and it would make no financial sense for them to train full-time and jet around the world competing. Very quickly, the top 100+ times would all be non-African.
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If you make the following reasonable assumptions :
a) Virtually all East Africans are doping.
b) Doping cuts at least 3 minutes off half-marathon times.
c) The best non-African runners are mostly clean.
Then the all-time toplist looks very different.
Currently, the top 91 times were set by East African descent runners, with Conner Mantz at 92 the top non-African. But lets adjust the top list. Here would be the top 10:
1. Conner Mantz 59:17
2. Andreas Almgren 59:23
3. Tomoki Ota 59:27
4. Kotaro SHINOHARA 59:30
5. Marilson GOMES DOS SANTOS 59:33
6. Carlos Meyer 59:39 7.Samuel BARATA 59:40
8.Pietro RIVA 59:41
9.Jacob KIPLIMO 59:42
10.Ryan Hall 59:43
11.Jimmy GRESSIER 59:46
Of course, if East Africans were banned or somehow doping controls were so effective that they couldn't dope, then the times of the non-Africans would shoot up because they would be competing for the top spots, the prize money, the glory, just as standards have gone up for non-African runners on the track, particularly in the 1500m and increasingly the 5000m. Also, the East African times would drop off the cliff, because they wouldn't be competing for prize money and it would make no financial sense for them to train full-time and jet around the world competing. Very quickly, the top 100+ times would all be non-African.
This is like saying if your wife had a different face, legs and torso and were 20 years younger she would be a 10. We can all live in a land of make-believe, where you seem to have made a nice home.
race doesn't mean anything. the height of childish thinking is basing anything on pigment.
of course you have populations that have concentrated traits, like Scandinavia with strong men, Caspian with abstract thinking, some West African tribes with fast twitch, Eskimo with double layer of fat, etc. etc.
Ethiopian's are a complicated bunch,. but the shotgun of thousands of DNA samples finds that they are a mixture of eurasian, semetic and sub sahara peoples, and all of those generalizations of peoples have a vast varying genetic profile.
Other African tribes are much closer to the average south european profile than say, the bushmen or Sudanese,
West Africans can be quite a mix of europeans, Berbers "white ancient inhabitants", various diverse African ,, with a massive amount of Arabic genetics.
But sure,. functionally speaking,. in Kenya with most of the runners coming from a small area. one can generalize about genetics.
in the 1500, there is no evidence that Africans have an advantage at the moment. when you had like 4 top 1500 guys from Kenya,. then the bro science theory becomes it is obvious black mountain africa dudes are superior. everybody might as well give up,. they have no chance with their lousy white / asian or whatever genetics.
the world cliche of them all is the white people can't jump one, which ignores the fact that most of the best jumpers come from europe, and chinese had multiple world records in the jumps in the past. hello jonathan edwards. this goes for dunking a basketball, go watch a soccer game.
that said of course the American "black" population has a concentration of fast twitch and cerebral coordination and rhythm.
but you can find those genetics anywhere in the world, where the frequency is less to far less than other populations. i.e. finding a world beating Eskimo 400m runner.
Correct. Letsrun doesn't like it, but, that is scientifically correct. I majored in mathematical statistics for my b.s. degree; realized later that Fisher was a eugenicist or racist as you put it.
These are insanely naive and racist assumptions to make. Doping is an issue that affects all countries and the US in particular. And Japan too.
The reason that only Africans have broken 59 is other countries athletes are not of the same caliber. The other countries need to convert athletes that have broken 27 to the HM and you will see many sub59. The current best (that you forgot) is Julien wanders at 59:13 and he was not an athlete of the caliber of kiplimo, kejelcha sawe or zersenay tadesse etc
Same for Mantz, he is not in the same league talentwise. Never was.
When Gressier, Fisher, Nico Young, Kincaid target HMs they will run sub 59. Almgren also could he is getting close