Men's Indoor 3000 World Record Under Threat Saturday @ Millrose

The 7:25.47 was outdoors (Hayward Field, Eugene, OR, 17 SEP 2023). This does not necessarily indicate potenial for 7:25 indoor.

yes, 1500m 2024 World Indoor Champion with one of the greatest kicks ever, and one of the best 3000m steeplers in the world, did almost beat Hocker in the 2 mile. I also wish we could've seen that battle (although luckily we got to see it a few weeks later at WCs), but I don't think it points to Hocker not being able to beat Fisher.

You are likely correct.

It now appears the race will be paced to an AR, per this excerpt from today's Dyestat.com preview:

3, Men’s 3,000: Can Hocker hang with Fisher?
Although the Wanamaker Mile is the customary Millrose highlight, a case could be made that the quality and depth of this 3,000 meters exceeds the mile. At Paris, Cole Hocker won gold in the 1,500 and Grant Fisher bronzes at 5K/10K. They meet again at Millrose, following last year’s two-mile in which Fisher was second in an American record of 8:03.62 and Hocker third in 8:05.70. (They were 7:30.88 and 7:35.35 at 3,000 en route.) Fisher has the American record in his sights (7:28.23 by Nuguse). He nearly overtook Josh Hoey at the New Balance 1,500, and he ran a PB of 3:33.99 with the fastest last 400 (55.72).

Thus, if Grant is "on" like he was at NBIGP, likely he -- and Cole & others if they are in contact -- will kick to a 7:26, maybe something into the 7:25s.

Again, the purpose of starting this thread is to let everyone be aware that a WR is possible based upon what we've seen from Grant in his recent training video and now his 1500 race. Not predicting a WR, as it's likely the Millrose 3000 race will not be paced that fast.

However, based upon the splits present in an earlier post as well as the eye test from Sunday, still holding out the (remote) possibility that Grant has reached such an extraordinary level of fitness, even if the Millrose race splits 3:44/1500 (7:28 pace), Grant can wind it up to a 3:40 final 1500, reaching 7:24 -- and leaning at the tape to break the 7:23.81 WR.

Contrarian opinion here.

If the pace is off WR pace, but still super fast, Cooper Teare gets the win.

I'll also predict within the same race that Ollie Hoare goes sub 7:33, Adriaan Wildschutt goes 7:30 or better, and Liam Murphy will break 7:40, On the other end Ky Robinson & Dylan Jacobs will not break 7:40. Lastly good ole Stewart McSweyn will either not finish, finish last, and/or run 7:50+.

Murphy moved up from 14th to 9th in NCAA xc this year, and dropped a lot of time to run 13:10 at BU in December. His 3k pr is 7:42 from last year. He's run 3:36 1500m/3:53 mile. I think he's due for a 3:50-51 in the mile, after a slow pace to start in the 3:54 in Philly recently, and 7:35-7:36 in the 3k this weekend. He might even get a few seconds faster with the quick pace and single file field at Millrose.

Murphy entered at BU 3K it looks like with Langon . Not in Millrose, anymore then . Better spot, in that 3K with be a WR attempt at Millrose and first grouping will quickly disconnect from the rest of the field. So there would be a secondary group and not sure if that is rabbited as well. BU race can be set up at any number they want essentially, he needs a 3K Q'er. 16th now is 7:49

I will never doubt Cole again. Even if he is outta shape, off event, or whatever the case, I will always consider him a threat for the win after that Paris 1500m

Forever a fan

Running 2 seconds faster up until the point where the kicking starts, will affect Hocker’s finish so it’s not a given that Hocker will blast Fisher’s crack.

Of course it is, 8 second head start.

Really good post. I agree with all of it.

Also, if someone, especially a Brit or European, thought that 3:30.95/3:47.65/12:58i/2nd-to-Jakob-in-the-European-Champs-5k George Mills could give Fisher a real run at 3k, I wouldn’t think “You clown! You must know nothing about track!” 7:27 is still 7:27 even when someone you don’t properly respect runs it.

However, let us not forget that $25,000 WR bonus . . .

Bet the house on stewy mac getting it done. 7:21 prediction

Good luck with that, he , unfortunately still gets in these, and each one tells a tale worse than one before.

60-1. Bad call man.

Neither has what it takes.

I just listened to LRC’s Cole Hocker interview. I suspect if he’s just a glimpse in the corner of Grant’s eye down the backstretch, he’s going to be blowing the Millrose doors down.

Grant says the expectation is 5:00 or a little faster through 2,000. I think it'd probably have to be 4:58-9 to get the record. I bet they can hit 1:24-55 on the close.

Of course this just shows how stupid most posters are, as Rxxer essentially said the same thing and was downvoted. Then the other guy gets upvoted. Posters are really stupid.