Josh Hoey: Is it time to call a spade a spade? If it walks like a duck, runs 2:14 and 3:33 like a duck....

Armstrong did test positive for corticosteroids cream in 1999 but that reveal had nothing to do with Landis reporting to USADA years later. He wasn't even around in 1999. No, the UCI accepted Armstrongs post dated prescription as a TUE exemption for use for "saddle sores". The 1999 EPO "positives" that were revealed in 2003-4 also had nothing to do with Landis revealing but were alluded to by Tyler Hamilton in his book and more importantly revealed in the book "LA Confidential" which was published in France but not in the US (Lance sued the publisher and it wasn't allowed to be published here)

...The story on that is that all of the 1999 TdF test samples were saved and retested four years later by sources unrelated to the UCI or WADA but by university researchers using the recently approved EPO tests . None of the athletes names were directly revealed or known, just athlete assigned code numbers which were to remain confidential. The tests revealed what most believe to be the "cleanest" TdF in decades since most all riders that year were too scared to dope following the previous years' "Festina Affair" TdF where numerous teams, riders, coaches, managers and doctors were busted with suitcases full of every pharmaceutical and PED known to man right in the middle of the Tour. However, the 1999 samples tested four years later did reveal that several riders were using EPO. These few riders were only identified to the testers by the number code assigned to each rider. These results were published in France but no rider was identified by name. Under the constant hounding and pressure regarding doping allegations, an investigative journalist boldly asked Lance if he'd allow his number code to be revealed...and a very confident, cocky and self assured Armstrong called his bluff and said "of course"!

The number code for LA revealed that it was he who tested positive for nine positives out of some-teen total positives in the 1999 TdF! The others were assumed to be Hamilton and perhaps one or two others. Of course none of this carried any weight in regards to WADA or UCI sanctioning as the process wasn't legitimate as far as rules go...nor did either want to bring down LA at the time. But a book came out about it, the rumors grew, LA became even stronger in his own defense but it did mark the beginning of what played out a decade later.

Hamilton's book (moto-man running around France to get Armstrong and Hamilton their "edgar") revealed all but it was Landis cooperation with USADA later (2011?) that really brought him down. The only real way this was possible though is that LA came out of retirement which effectively re-set the prior expired statue of limitations for USADA investigations. If Lance stayed retired, then none of what came later would've ever happened.

Another LA doping positive scandal was also swept under the rug during the 2001 Tour of Switzerland where he supposedly tested positive for the recently developed and deployed EPO test. The UCI and WADA met with LA and agreed not to reveal...and Armstrong reportedly "bribed" WADA and UCI officials by giving money ironically for some high price drug testing equipment!

....Lance Armstrong and the stories of his career, life, personality, foibles, cancer, survival, women, money, athletic prowess, domination, abilities, douchebagery, and attempts at redemption offer fascinating tales of the human condition, warts and all.

...and yes, Bernard Lagat should not get a pass either.

I'm not getting into the doping allegations at all, but this is absolutely a big point for Josh AND both of his brothers. Watching them bounce around high schools until one gave them everything they wanted (including mom getting a coaching position on staff) was disappointing. Dad obviously wanted what was best for them, but his influence was definitely a hindrance in my opinion. I still wonder what Jaxson would've run if properly developed both in high school and through college, where the bouncing around continued.

You just defended her. Valby, Wiley, Hoey, are not on doping radar. They are all built like elite runners. Tuohy is not yet she runs fast. She is very inconsistent which is indicative of cycling on skd off. She is always sick or injured which is highly suspicious. And I agree with your point that she isn't on the radar of people who only half half brains. Smart people know where to look.

Boy, for someone who is “always” sick or injured, she sure has won a lot of races.

Yes. Weird I agree.

Here is the topic you are responding to:

Do you consider that to be a true statement?

Lagat gets way too much hate on here. Either by people claiming that he doesn’t count as American, or by people calling him a doper even though his “positive test” was concluded to be a false positive based on his B sample.

WHAT ON EARTH ROBERT/WELDON/JONATHAN????????????????????????????????

What innocuous thing have I said or done sirs???????????????????????????????????

I'm in the UK right now and it's a lovely wintry day and most of that enjoyment has been robbed away from me when I logged into my account expecting a flurry of rejuvenated and and constructive replies to my 6 sparkling posts but found it deleted instead???????????????? What's going on sirs????????????????????????

I merely said Josh Hoey is most probably doping due to terrible unseemly biomechanics that doesn't sit well with the laws of space and time you feelin me????????? Where did I mention about anthropogenic RF????????????????????????

Seriously MR PD King, according to the conventional news media, Lance Armstrong indeed never had a positive test precisely because the conventional news media was never allowed to leak it so the myth DOES STAND PARTIALLY IN SPACE AND TIME you feelin me???????????

Can you see how fair and unbiased I am now?????????????????

You could apply the same token to the COVID vaccines and say 'none of the deaths were caused by the COVID vaccines' because the conventional news media was never allowed to leak it and hence the myth DOES STAND PARTIALLY IN SPACE AND TIME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's how you conduct reason and persuasion alright!!!!!!

Amen^1000 darling, truly dear!!!!!!!! I defer indeed submit myself wholeheartedly to your authority!!!! You always have a point which is why till this day Robert and Weldon couldn't ban you precisely because they want indeed NEED YOU even if they might be shy of admitting it!!!!!! But I'm not a shy man, I'm brave and courageous you feelin me!!!!!!!

4 things I ever loved in this world:

1) Hicham El Kingdom Triple Love Guerrouj

2) Kerr Josh

3) Coevett

4) Armstrong

Amen man!!!!!

Yes I do Mr PD KING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I consider that to be a relatively true statement don't you see it????????????????????

Lance Armstrong never had a positive test subject to the conditions imposed by certain facets and departments of space and time you feelin me???????????????????

Hence or otherwise, if there is relative accuracy there is still accuracy duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is how you conduct your thoughts and your thinking, learn from me, from the best, subscribe to my channel amen!!!!!!!!!

Thank you thank you thank you a thousand times sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see there is no lack of love and endearment for me and my humble RF origins. You do speak the truth very well and I welcome you to join me and the other registered physicists on this board in the courageous pursuit and defense of truth!!!!!!!!!!!

I too don't understand what I said wrong about Kerr Josh and Mackey Danny that was deleted???????? Robert, from what I know, stems his love in Kerr Josh and has make it known for the past 10 years. I can't believe he ordered such love suppressed and deleted????????????

I haven't defended her. Accusations from such as you amount to nothing. If I saw her as suspicious I would have said so.

I said she is only on the radar of those with half a brain - the opposite of what you think I said. So we aren't in agreement, but you have just thereby identified yourself.

Fact: His four corticosteroids positive tests were reported in the conventional news media during the 1999 Tour. The myth failed your test of space and time back in 1999, yet here you are now, only deluding yourself.

That isn't the topic but your usual cherry picking. The issue that was being referred to was that there are known dopers, such as Armstrong, who don't fail tests which means dopers can escape being caught. That general point is correct. The available statistics of positives and estimated prevalence from athlete surveys show that. Armstrong may have failed a test (or tests) but it didn't result in him being busted. The tests couldn't therefore be regarded as definitive. As you have regularly pointed out, while Lagat also failed a test (for EPO and no mere medicine) if the positive test isn't confirmed they have committed no violation. You don't apply the same argument to Armstrong.

Just scrolling up to the top of this very page, it looks like you did say the opposite: "She isn't on the doping radar of anyone with half a brain."

Apparently you are the spokesman for all those with half a brain. Are you their leader, or just a follower?

You keep going on about "failed tests" but NONE of these resulted in a violation. So they weren't so "failed" after all, were they? Not like the way Houlihan failed her tests.

Summary: Josh Hoey can be clean!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sir, you don't definitely speak drivel for I only sense wisdom and understanding in you alright!!!!!!!!!

The comments on this board that blame his dad for this and that are kinda stupid to be honest for there are at least a million well-meaning dads worldwide in countries from asia, asia-pacific, soviet union, europe, americas and canada who are training or trying to train their young teenage sons to be distance phenoms and surely they cannot be presumed to have 'bad knowledge' about the sport nor be absolutely so stupid about the art or science of training what with tons of books, courses, online forums and so many other avenues to advance and iterate their experiences training their teenage sons, you feelin me?????????

Hence or otherwise, what I'm trying to say is that WE CANNOT PRESUME AS CREDIBLE NOR RELY ON WITH GREAT DEPENDENCY the cause of Josh Hoey's lacklustre early career as one bit due to the shortcomings, if at all, or otherwise of his dad, you feelin me?????????? And that's because IT ALSO TOOK THE SAME AMOUNT OF DADS, MEANING 1 DAD IN GJERT INGEBRIGSTEN OR ABDUL MANAP NURMAGOMEDOV EACH, to equally cultivate and raise the opposite champion or success story in Jakob and Khabib respectively you feelin me?????

So you see how I conduct my reasonings and persuadings in such majestic and all-encompassing superior invincible fashion????????? Hence the 'dad factor', being canceled out and neutralize by opposing examples on this same planet earth becomes NO LONGER FIT TO BE IN THE CONVERSATION OF CAUSES/EFFECTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This means, sorry to say, it's back to the anthropogenic RF factor yet again, which is the only single factor under heaven and earth capable of unleashing exponential benefit and exponential harm both ways depending on space-time conditions!!!!!!!

Therefore, I humbly say for Josh Hoey to be clean and running as well as he is doing right now he for one had a major RF environmental makeover (the likes of which he mightn't be aware of such as change of location/residential/area), in the 5 years intervening, and for another he must have had a major diet/nutrition plan makeover as well. It's nothing to do with training. He could go from high to low mileage or low to high and still not cause nor result in the improvements he made right now without being unlocked with a passkey from an environmental RF makeover FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know too many guys training like Josh Joey and Jakob but none would ever reach their level right now because TRAINING IS NOT THE OVERWHELMING CLEAR-CUT WINNER OF SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ONLY RF CAN BE THAT CLEAR-CUT VICTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! QUIETLY BEHIND THE SCENES, PULLING THE STRINGS NO LESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I can accept Josh Hoey as clean much better than Fisher or Hocker because of his relatively newbie status on the professional racing circuit but the order of space and time needs to follow a certain trajectory for me to be unlocked this belief:

RF makeover----->>>>Diet/Nutrition makeover------>>>>>Humongous PBs and area records start streaming in automatically!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!