I think Hoey's breakout is exposing my own American bias. I've been pumped for Josh to have this breakout under Rinaldi but reading through this thread I'm realizing just how similar this is to Georgia Bell. I remember her jr PBs were constantly listed to explain how she was able to make such a breakthrough and I was incredibly skeptical. But with Josh I actually have been thinking that "talent doesn't go away" and he's finally running up to his talent level. I'm still excited for Josh and hope he continues this trend but I'm also hoping that the increased testing levels help to alleviate any background suspicions that are starting to crop up.
I'd love to believe that Rinaldi is a miracle worker and lightning has now struck twice with his runners, but I find all of this very hard to believe. Then you have the Peter Bol fiasco. I always thought Rinaldi was an honest guy and maybe he is, but something is definitely up with his runners.
I'm definitely also biased towards Rinaldi because I've personally found his posts on the boards incredibly helpful and insightful. I like Pete too but the situation is definitely an eyebrow raiser. Again, since everything on the outside is good so far I'm going to tune down my skepticism until anything else comes out. One of the biggest bummers of the sport is the way this kind of suspicion can spoil certain results and I'm trying to avoid that with these guys.
Good point! Lance Armstrong never has a positive test and was never a doper. QED!
Actually he did. But it was after a temporary retirement.
That is actually a good point! I had forgotten that. Although to be fair, in the normal course he would never have "failed" a drug test. I believe it was only when USADA investigated into whistleblower accusations that they retested using better technology. That wasn't normal course drug testing protocol.
You know what indicates drug use, positive tests (or apparently whereabouts failures), of which he’s had none.
So tired of LetsRun losers that have the same deductive reasoning as Jan 6ers and flat earthers.
Can’t you find anything more productive to do in your parent’s basement?
Good point! Lance Armstrong never has a positive test and was never a doper. QED!
Myth: Lance Armstrong never has a positive test
Fact: Lance Armstrong tested positive for corticosteroids four times in July 1999. In 2004, Lance Armstrong tested positive six times for EPO after retesting of 1999 samples.
Only 1% of tests return as positive. Confidential athlete surveys show that many more athletes dope than are caught. Antidoping says that "only the dumb and the careless are caught".
Banning posters and their reincarnations who constantly spam the boards either with nonsense, like khamis, or with the same one note doping accusations, with no evidence behind them whatsoever (astro and armstronglivs) would be the easiest way to improve this message board. When Tuohy/Valby are discussed, we get endless #'s of baseless accusations of Valby for doping from astro, and really nothing else but insinuation. When any good performance anywhere is mentioned, armstronglivs ruins every single thread with doping accusations, no matter the athlete or context, with no evidence whatsoever. That would be acceptable maybe if it were just a handful of posts each time, but every thread he appears on becomes only about his accusations. Then when you get the combination of rekrunner, the doping denier, and armstronglivs, the doping accuser, that's the end of a thread. The rest is all them responding non-substantively to each other. So, consider banning the three of them permanently and the boards would be better for it.
Khamis is not a doping accuser per se. He started his career on this forum as one ‘RF engineer’. Read his beginning from 2023 August again. He has continued that profile till this day. He only took on ‘doping accusation’ as a side job and still he didn’t say as many people are doping as armstrongliv did. Armstongliv thinks El G is doping but Khamis does not. Armstongliv also thinks Kerr and Jakob is doping but Khamis defends these 2 like his wives.
Majority of the posts deleted by the Brojos above mentioned did not contain any mention of radio frequencies. It was talk about Danny Mackey, Josh Kerr, bad biomechanics, Sedjati but mostly just comparing Hoey to Kerr’s career history. It’s clearly a lie that any radio frequency was mentioned? But even if it was what’s the problem? At least that’s not denying doping or accusing. There are hidden health effects of radio frequency and that’s a well spelled out fact according to the scientific theory of falsifiability.
Only 1% of tests return as positive. Confidential athlete surveys show that many more athletes dope than are caught. Antidoping says that "only the dumb and the careless are caught".
I don’t normally agree with you but strictly speaking it’s better to accuse doping than to deny it. With AI and tech, dopers are pretty advanced these days and who knows what Rinaldi might be doing to Hoey.
I know the family pretty well and I've seen some inaccuracies here I wanted to try and clear up.
Josh ran 1:47.6i in HS for the national HS record. At that point, his training volume was not very high at all, particularly for a guy running that fast. The guy who previously held that record wound up at 1:44/3:34 in what I think we'd all agree was a bit of a disappointing career (no disrespect intended to him whatsoever). It isn't that much slower than what Josh has run thus far.
As far as coaching. He's never been "coached" by his Dad. His Dad has always been very hands on with Josh's career. As a result Josh has been through multiple coaches in multiple locations over the course of his career. Not the best type of environment for a promising prospect or for that matter an experienced runner. He was mismanaged, flat out.
The change to Rinaldi was huge for Josh. Justin spoke with a few different people prior to taking on Josh, including Josh himself and the level of comfort there was very high. The YT videos show Dad's involvement but this is nothing new. Rinaldi has mentioned (multiple times) in interviews that Dad plays a role trackside as does another Coach, but Rinaldi is developing the training and has done some things specifically for Josh.
The TLDR - His Dad made some REALLY bad tactical decisions early in his career. These absolutely set him back in his career and led to the lack of progress everyone witnessed first hand. The guy got with a coach that works well for him, dialed in the other elements of his training, and we finally saw the talent shine through. How he's upped the ante and spend the winter at altitude instead of in the PA cold and we're seeing another step forward.
You know what tons of high schoolers get trained by their dads and tons get it wrong day in and out. This is an experimental sport even with set conventions you could follow because there is no 1 size fits all. But there is a biological high performance expiry/activation date, and once it’s passed it’s gone. Talent shines through but talent is subject to the same biological and physical half life decay. It jolly well is due to radio frequency as Khamis has been railing. At 25 returning like that just no way. You are speaking out of turn.
Don't feel good about this one. Yes, he ran very fast in HS. But he trained hard for years & wasn't able to make big improvements. Now he's doing that, which doesn't happen if you were tapped out at/near your potential. Don't understand how you wouldn't hit some modest PBs on your way to these new times. Also, for those downplaying 3:33, it's 3:33 indoors plus the caliber of field he took down of guys who have run faster than that outdoors. Something feels off.
3:33 indoors is about 3:30 outdoors or just under.
Banning posters and their reincarnations who constantly spam the boards either with nonsense, like khamis, or with the same one note doping accusations, with no evidence behind them whatsoever (astro and armstronglivs) would be the easiest way to improve this message board. When Tuohy/Valby are discussed, we get endless #'s of baseless accusations of Valby for doping from astro, and really nothing else but insinuation. When any good performance anywhere is mentioned, armstronglivs ruins every single thread with doping accusations, no matter the athlete or context, with no evidence whatsoever. That would be acceptable maybe if it were just a handful of posts each time, but every thread he appears on becomes only about his accusations. Then when you get the combination of rekrunner, the doping denier, and armstronglivs, the doping accuser, that's the end of a thread. The rest is all them responding non-substantively to each other. So, consider banning the three of them permanently and the boards would be better for it.
Khamis is not a doping accuser per se. He started his career on this forum as one ‘RF engineer’. Read his beginning from 2023 August again. He has continued that profile till this day. He only took on ‘doping accusation’ as a side job and still he didn’t say as many people are doping as armstrongliv did. Armstongliv thinks El G is doping but Khamis does not. Armstongliv also thinks Kerr and Jakob is doping but Khamis defends these 2 like his wives.
Majority of the posts deleted by the Brojos above mentioned did not contain any mention of radio frequencies. It was talk about Danny Mackey, Josh Kerr, bad biomechanics, Sedjati but mostly just comparing Hoey to Kerr’s career history. It’s clearly a lie that any radio frequency was mentioned? But even if it was what’s the problem? At least that’s not denying doping or accusing. There are hidden health effects of radio frequency and that’s a well spelled out fact according to the scientific theory of falsifiability.
I remembered he was mostly waxing lyrical about Hoey’s bad form and one of the posts, but only 1, spoke ‘American environmental pollution’ from RF. The rest didn’t.
Only 1% of tests return as positive. Confidential athlete surveys show that many more athletes dope than are caught. Antidoping says that "only the dumb and the careless are caught".
As compelling as your arguments from ignorance are to sustain and propagate your own long held beliefs, they don't seem relevant to the fact that Lance tested positive 4x for corticosteroids in 1999, and 6x for EPO in 2004 confirmation research testing on 1999 samples, while many posters, like "lefkj;lewkj", still believe and propagate the myth that Lance never tested positive.
Only 1% of tests return as positive. Confidential athlete surveys show that many more athletes dope than are caught. Antidoping says that "only the dumb and the careless are caught".
As compelling as your arguments from ignorance are to sustain and propagate your own long held beliefs, they don't seem relevant to the fact that Lance tested positive 4x for corticosteroids in 1999, and 6x for EPO in 2004 confirmation research testing on 1999 samples, while many posters, like "lefkj;lewkj", still believe and propagate the myth that Lance never tested positive.
So what. He wasn't busted through tests, you liar. He was informed on by Landis, who was actually caught. Being the lying hypocrite you are you take exactly the opposite view with Lagat, and deny he was a doper, when he also tested positive.
The bigger picture is that most dopers aren't caught through testing.
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Don't feel good about this one. Yes, he ran very fast in HS. But he trained hard for years & wasn't able to make big improvements. Now he's doing that, which doesn't happen if you were tapped out at/near your potential. Don't understand how you wouldn't hit some modest PBs on your way to these new times. Also, for those downplaying 3:33, it's 3:33 indoors plus the caliber of field he took down of guys who have run faster than that outdoors. Something feels off.
3:33 indoors is about 3:30 outdoors or just under.
That isn't true here because most posters on these threads say there's no disadvantage in running indoors, despite a much shorter track.