George Mills 7:27.92 3K British Record

Not to deny that Kerr's mark is slightly better intrinsically, but his last 3000m from that 2-mile would have been from a running start, so one can't claim that is is actually the fastest 3000m for Euros. (Not that you said that - just sayin').

And let’s give Mills proper due. Did a ton of work himself I’ve gathered, second half of race alone driving it. Grant definitely helped Josh last year pushing it up front.

so you don't know everything

a hole

So you don´t think the 7:17.55 man can break Mill´s time if he ran a paced indoor 3000m (which he has never done but he is unbeaten in this indoor distance (not counting rounds) since the age of 14).

And you think Jakob´s mechanics perhaps make him not as efficient indoors?!

Remind me who is holding the INDOOR 1500m WR. And he may get the indoor mile WR in 10 days from now (if he gets his mechanics right).

May I guess: Should you be from the UK?

The weird thing as that Kerr's 8:00.67 is listed as a better performance than Girma's 7:23.81 (1310 points vs 1306 points), as well as better than Jakob's 7:54.10 (1310 points vs 1304 points)

I agree that a 8:00.67 2 mile indoor is definitely better than a 8:00.67 2 mile outdoor. But I do not consider a 8:00.67 2 mile to be better than a 7:23.81 3000m (wether both are outdoor or both are indoor)

If we look at close outdoor performances we have Jakob & Kejelcha with 7:23.63 and 7:23.64, which both are worth 1280 points. And in the 2 mile we have Gebrselassie with 8:01.08 which is worth 1262 points. So 7:23.81 in the 3000m outdoors is definitely more points than a 8:00.67 2 mile outdoors. While indoors, it's opposite for some reason.

If: time X in the 3000m > time Y in the 2 mile, when both are outdoors, it should be the same way/order when both are indoors.

video here

I like how his name sounds like some really good chess player in the 1800s.

I'm inclined to agree. The mile's a bit better than the 5000m, the 3k arguably a bit better than the 1500m time. He's run 1:46.11/3:30.95/3:47/7:27/12:58.mHe comes at the 1500/mile more from a distance than a speed background, so you expect a good 3k. At this point, I expect the 5000m time will drop to 12:50 or better this year.

Video has been posted.
Ran last 6 laps solo.
2:24:69 last K.

Mighty impressive. Certainly an interesting decision to be made on event choice outdoors. At European Indoors, would love to see him sitting on Jakob in the 3,000.

aka right around peak age for 1500-3000

7:40 seems pathetic nowadays…..

I love the 3000m. What a great distance. Mills is really earning his place in British track history!

One of my favorite books that I have read recently was Brendan Foster where he talks about getting the 3000m world record in his hometown (Gateshead) with a time of 7:35. That was in 1974, so over 50 years ago! And he was wearing the equivalent of low-top Chuck Taylors.

athleticsweekly.com

My greatest race: Brendan Foster - AW

Athletics Weekly

On home turf, the European champion vowed to christen the revamped Gateshead Stadium with a world record bid

Link:athleticsweekly.com/interviews/my-grea...

Foster like many of his generation, never optimized in a record run, not even close.

Today, if conditions and track are not the best and absent of pacing,

735 is one hell of a great time.

it is all about conditions.

Kerr’s 8:00.67 is getting a huge score boost by virtue of the 2 mile hardly ever being run indoors. It’s objectively worse than Girma’s 7:23.81 but gets more points because of the dearth of top performances in the event.

It’s a mistake to think 8:00.67i is intrinsically better than 8:00.67. There’s no real difference between indoors and outdoors anymore, not for distance events anyway. Guys like Kerr or Kincaid who peak to run super fast in the winter aren’t going to run any faster when they peak in the summer.

If you disagree, consider this: 8:00.67i and 12:51.61i are supposedly worth 7:19.08/7:53.12 and 12:37.23, respectively. Those aren’t happening for either guy, not even close.

Yeah I do agree with this and have for years. We have had glimpses of evidence over the course of history - (Kipketer running 1.42.67 in the middle of winter training to "show his coach training was going well), but this new era where training philosophy in particular supports better racing shape all-year round vs traditional summer peak winter valley, is really showing us there isn't much difference between indoors and out in terms of running environment. In fact there is an argument to be made that some running environments - like the one at BU, are superior to anything outdoors for a number of reasons.

The only real advantage running on an outdoor 400m track vs an indoor 200m one are the reduced number of turns run per race and the tightness of the curves. But banking obviously mitigates this and so does the speed at which athletes run. Obviously running a 400m at 44 second speed is tough when you are trying to run corners at 9 meters per second and you are fighting your bodies tendency to want to continue running in a straight line. At 6.7 meters per second (a 7.30 3km) from what tend to be athletes with much less mass, not so tough. Then you factor in things like zero resistance through wind and even the psychological benefit of a lap just being so much shorter even if you have to run twice as many of them (it's a thing).

I used to think that the crossover point was really the 3000m - the sweetspot where the running speed really was slow enough the curves don't matter. But after seeing some of the mile performances in recent seasons and given they are still often done by athletes in a small sample set of races vs the longer campaigns of outdoors, I really believe that the difference between running a 1500/mile indoors vs outdoors would not be that much if athletes showed up say at BU in July wanting to PR vs toeing the line on a top outdoor surface like Monaco.

Interesting they have the WL at 7:39 when two studs in NCAA ran 7:30.xx

i think its a calendar thing, the lop lists by season start in 2025, their races were in 2024 and they are on the 2024 toplist. I assume this is what is used in the graphics.

worldathletics.org

3000 Metres Short Track - men - senior - all - 2025

Link:worldathletics.org/records/toplists/mi...

his background is pure 800/1500m. he ran 800m until he was a junior and only ran his first 5000m last year. this was his first 3000m other than a couple as a junior