JOSH MF HOEY - 2:14.48 1000m indoors - #2 ALL TIME

They have spent the last 3+ months in Flagstaff. Looking at the results from Paris (and the US trials), it was clear that he needed to spend more time at altitude to compete with the best guys in the world.

who is they? a group ?

Thank you for being one of the only major coaches to come on here and talk to the poors/common folk (letsrun users). Ignore the haters, real ones will always be fans.

Where is Josh racing next? What is his indoor schedule looking like?

0.28 over the WR while running wide in the curve...

Next up New Balance 1500, then Millrose 800. Then USA Indoor champs.

Coach Rinaldi makes a fair point in assessing the indoor 1k record as weak using equivalent performances. Additionally, running a bit wide on the tighter turns of an indoor track isn't as detrimental as doing so on a 400m track outdoors.

…and he was floating into lane 2 on the corners in the last 400m (Athing Mu style)???

Sub 2:14 had he not done that?

To be fair, I didn't see many people here giving Pattison flak (aside from the usual suspects such as Hoady and Rekbot), as there were so many dropping big pbs last year. Though it doesn't surprise me if a 22 year old British WC bronze medallist who posts every single run and elliptical session on Strava gets flak for improving his pb by 1.7 seconds in a year (at Monaco), whilst a 25 year old American can get down to 1:43 from 1:48 and then almost a 1000m WR and it's a case of 'talent never goes away'.

It's pretty notable too that while his dad still oversees the workouts and now he has a professional 800m coach, he has incorporated fashionable threshold work from the Ingebrigtsens. In the Flagstaff session posted recently, which was after his indoor 3:52 mile (and he ran 1:43.80 last year), he is doing 25x400m on 30s rest at 7,000 ft in 70-75. They were hoping to get him down by the summer to 66s for this workout. While his lactic was rising higher than they planned, 4.5 after a while, then over 5, and he had to slow down a bit before getting it back down (so he was able to finish the workout), this is aerobic work he's never had before and so you could anticipate him achieving big drops above 800m.

That aerobic work will also really tell when it comes to getting through heats and still having plenty left for the final.

Is his training any different than before? Specifically, does he focus more on building the aerobic system than he did when he was stuck at 1:47?

No difference between indoors and outdoors regarding extra meters.

Rick Wolhuter’s outdoor AR 1000m of 2:13.9 has stood for 50 years.

how can the goal be sub 2:15 but getting close to the 2:14.2 WR a surprise? Keep in mind only 3 people had ever run sub 2:15

Great job with this young athlete. Congrats, and keep it going!!!

Rough?

To this day, and forever moving forward your own athlete, Peter Bol's A sample was positive for EPO. ....and tested months later, his B sample was still highly questionable but not exactly the same as A. WADA had no choice but to clear Bol since, again months later a B sample didn't read exactly the same as the A sample but if that B sample had been tested immediately as should have, then Bol would have stayed banned.

Couple this with a Bol's phone screen shot of infamous Victor Conte with information on how to microdose EPO and evade testing positive and you got more WTF questions than he has good answers for. It's unbelievable that he was cleared and speaks more to WADA ineptitude than Bol's innocence.

"You guys are rough"??? We need to be.

Savant Coevett I really need a tight sympathetic hug from you! I’m almost in tears reading your good comment here because I also feel the same way you know that? We also feel each other and feel the same things. We have that telepathic connection together and with Khamis as well. We have that special knack to detect dopers and doping!

When I saw Josh Hoey ran 2:14 almost a WR, I felt my world collapsed as my efforts on the doping front has gone to waste. I want to give it all up and open a restaurant and do business. This was the most unsightly hideous foul running manner I have ever seen running a near WR supershoes or no supershoes. Dude couldn’t even control his bloody flailing arms while his legs kept running wide to lane 2. Dude forgot how beautifully Josh Kerr my beloved runs!!

There is not rhythm not finesse not skill not control at all in his nervous system. He is relying on pure dope damn it Coevett!

Damn it 😫😫

I just watched the full race and the amazing thing is that he starts "going to the arms" and "rigging up" in his form (and face) with 400m to go. Yet somehow he powers through with no noticeable slowdown.

1:47 at 800 and finished with a 27 last 200m. That is awesome.

Honestly, I think we need to have a talk about the bi-carb. Maybe lactate was what made it impossible for humans to improve on the 1:41 of the 1980s. But now, with bi-carb, we might see a new generation of 800m guys doing some real damage to the old norms and expectations in that event...

p.s. If it were just doping then it wouldn't have waited until 2024 to happen. People have tried to dope their way to fast times for decades and nobody got under the level set by Coe-Kipketer-Rudisha. That barrier might get broken now with bi-carb.

Bicarb only so innocuous? 😆😆🙄🙄

Wake up dude, such a horrendous display of fast running can only be doped up! Even Coevett knows he is doped!!

That’s why I cherish my beloved Josh Kerr so much more and treasure every single second of him in space and time for he is clean as white as Siberian snow!! Pardon my blushes!