When did the Letsrun collective become so strrongly doping apologist???
What's funny is that it looks like a lotta yuze guys really believe the delusional excuses you're making for wide open juicers, especially the Yanks. 10 years ago here, why, people would say that exact same crazy stuff just to go fishing for ridicule!
Hard to say if running fans have become mostly more casual about cheating or mostly more gullible about pro sports.
When did the Letsrun collective become so strrongly doping apologist???
What's funny is that it looks like a lotta yuze guys really believe the delusional excuses you're making for wide open juicers, especially the Yanks. 10 years ago here, why, people would say that exact same crazy stuff just to go fishing for ridicule!
Hard to say if running fans have become mostly more casual about cheating or mostly more gullible about pro sports.
my 800m times got faster when I did more mileage once I got to college. my 1500/mile times as well. my 400m times got slightly slower. I’m guessing my 1000m would have improved as well.
Grant Fisher was a stud muffin miler in high school but wasn’t fast enough for it to be his event later on.
You're ignoring a whole hell of a lot of context for Komen and Guerrouj doping. Komen ran for survival, he had very little incentive to not dope. His 7:20 was run with some of the worst pacing I've ever seen, and he could only muster a 59.6 last lap. He did it on the old and (admittedly fast but not modern Mondo) and terrible spikes. In the height of the EPO era with no test.
Guerrouj has already been discussed ad nauseam - the height of his powers coincide exactly with the EPO era and he retires as soon as a test for EPO is announced only aged 30. 5 times 3:26.X 1500's in the old spikes and tracks, training group heavily associated with doping.
I agree with your sentiment about Ruth and Shelby. Shelby 100% doped. To me Ruth seems highly likely but without a positive is not a slam dunk, much like Komen and Guerrouj.
All that being said, I will never vouch for anyone being clean or not clean that I don't know. I can't say I'd be terribly surprised if it came out eventually that Ingebrigtsen doped... however, I think even if he ever did test positive he's more in the too big to fail category.
On the old Rome track* in the Komen section of the post
Just to split hairs: The 3k wr was set in Rieti wearing Jasari upper with an Eldoret plate. At the time, this 3k was other worldly.
All the 800m guys have levelled up since last year. Try to keep up.
His progression is similar to the massive improvements by Arop, Wanyonyi, Sedjati, Hoppel, etc.
All 4 of those guys were established guys a year ago and prior. Wanyoni ran 1:43 in 2021, so did Arop, sedjati has run 1:43 since 2022, and hoppel has been great since college.
Hoey progression:
2018: 1:47
2019: 1:49
2020: 1:47
2021: 1:47
2022: 1:47
2023: 1:48
2024: 1:43
His 1500/mile progression is almost more ridiculous but you can look that up for yourself. It’s not like he races sparingly either. He was a remarkably consistent 1:47 guy for 6 years.
Improving from 1:47 to 1:43 is the same as improving from 1:43 to 1:41.
Like a lot of American athletes at the moment they are to the gills with the our drug testing authorities making sure they don’t get caught.
it’s testosterone, growth hormones and EPO combine being used by all groups.
its an open secret as they are attempting to compete with our countries doing the same, Australia, Norway etc whereas Kenya and india are just taking EPO and testosterone and hoping for the best they don’t get tested
All the 800m guys have levelled up since last year. Try to keep up.
His progression is similar to the massive improvements by Arop, Wanyonyi, Sedjati, Hoppel, etc.
All 4 of those guys were established guys a year ago and prior. Wanyoni ran 1:43 in 2021, so did Arop, sedjati has run 1:43 since 2022, and hoppel has been great since college.
Hoey progression:
2018: 1:47
2019: 1:49
2020: 1:47
2021: 1:47
2022: 1:47
2023: 1:48
2024: 1:43
His 1500/mile progression is almost more ridiculous but you can look that up for yourself. It’s not like he races sparingly either. He was a remarkably consistent 1:47 guy for 6 years.
To me that looks like a story of unfulfilled potential, until finally he got his act together. Age matters. He was 18 at the beginning of that range. (He was born Nov 1 1999, so he would've been 18 for most of 2018.) Improvement is never guaranteed, but that trajectory with that age range does not immediately scream "guy who tapped out, then suddenly went on the sauce". More so "guy who figured things out / got into a better situation / demonstrated the unrealized gains of prior years' training".
800m is a tricky event. I believe he was running himself into the ground with intensity for years and years. Rinaldi mentioned that. When you consider this progression truly probably started about 2 years ago with his training switch up. That plus newfound confidence can do wonders in the 800m. Hes doing a lot more threshold volume (similar to guys like Hoppel) plus he was in flagstaff. I’m not sure but this might be his first go at altitude, let alone 7000ft.
You can down vote me all you want, just wait for the volume of these supposedly clean athletes will suddenly have health problems in a few year compare to the athletes they compete against will not
This doesn’t seem to be on most people’s radar and I can’t figure out why. Maybe because he’s a nice Christian white boy and we all love a comeback story… but either Josh Hoey had the breakthrough of the century after 7 years stuck at 1:47 or he’s the most blatant doper in the world.
2:14 in the indoor K?! Are you out of your mind!? That’s closer to the world record than the previous American Record, from a guy who last year had a 1:47 (outdoor) 800 PR? Look at his recent results and tell me something doesn’t smell right. Watch the races and see right where he ties up, looking like any normal pro runner would during the last 50m of an 800, but he’s got 400m left. The worst form I’ve ever seen but he doesn’t seem to ever hit the wall.
Justin Rinaldi must really know how to escape the doping authorities, first Bol now this. Would love to know why he doesn’t get torn apart online like he would if his last name started with “Kip”?!
He ran 1:47 in high school, he doesn't exactly have a shortage of talent - and i'm telling you guys, talent never goes away.
Is there a double standard here? 100%, he would be getting TORN APART right now if he was African.
Very possible that based on his history at 800m and his 3:52 mile, the 1k could fall directly in his sweet spot distance-wise (akin to how the 3k seems to be the optimal distance for Ingebrigtsen).
All 4 of those guys were established guys a year ago and prior. Wanyoni ran 1:43 in 2021, so did Arop, sedjati has run 1:43 since 2022, and hoppel has been great since college.
Hoey progression:
2018: 1:47
2019: 1:49
2020: 1:47
2021: 1:47
2022: 1:47
2023: 1:48
2024: 1:43
His 1500/mile progression is almost more ridiculous but you can look that up for yourself. It’s not like he races sparingly either. He was a remarkably consistent 1:47 guy for 6 years.
To me that looks like a story of unfulfilled potential, until finally he got his act together. Age matters. He was 18 at the beginning of that range. (He was born Nov 1 1999, so he would've been 18 for most of 2018.) Improvement is never guaranteed, but that trajectory with that age range does not immediately scream "guy who tapped out, then suddenly went on the sauce". More so "guy who figured things out / got into a better situation / demonstrated the unrealized gains of prior years' training".
Definitely don't mean any offense to Hoey's father, but coaching one's ubertalented son at home on a track you built in your backyard had almost zero chance of being the best training environment to produce elite results.
Bruh, quit paying attention to pro track. There has never been a time in the sport like it is right now. And by that I mean a lot of external “help.” PED use is off the charts up to, and including ncaa and anything else. Cheat shoes. Bouncy tracks. More ncaa and American records have been broken in the last 4 years (since cheat shoes) than in the previous 50.
I just need to keep the memory of the Hoey brothers racing for "Hoey Investments" alive. That was their team name. I'm not joking. Saw it at multiple track meets. Always gave me a laugh.