You can keep crying in this thread. Jakob has won 4 straight world #1 rankings, including this year. The European Championships are also not a minor title, they are a championship with rich history. The World Indoor Championships are equivalent in competition, but Euros has more prestige.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
These words are coming from the man who thinks Joshua Cheptegei is better than Jakob in the 5000, if you're all wondering how intellectually honest and unbiased he is.
Cheptegei who has one single global gold medal and finished 8th at Rio, 9th at Eugene and didn't bother to show up at London, Doha, Budapest and Paris. For some reason being the fastest in the 5000 is very important to Army but completely irrelevant in the 1500. I wonder why.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
Les than 3 1/2 years - for our dummy that's 5 years.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
In the three years since his Kerr's Bronze, Ingebrigtsen-Kerr at 1500m/Mile stands at 6-4.
No one of the "next guys" has beaten Ingebrigtsen more than once. For the dummy, they beat him regularly.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
In the three years since his Kerr's Bronze, Ingebrigtsen-Kerr at 1500m/Mile stands at 6-4.
No one of the "next guys" has beaten Ingebrigtsen more than once. For the dummy, they beat him regularly.
In sport not always the same are winning. Those few runners who have beaten Ingebrigtsen are also very strong. But when we are even just looking on the 1500m/Mile, Ingebrigtsen in the last five years still definitely has the strongest record of all of them. Also when we are just looking on the last three seasons, it's really hard to come up with another no. 1 than Ingebrigtsen. Who? Give a name (small hint: he won't).
He isn't dominant and hasn't been so for 3 years. He's "one of the best" - there is no clear number one at the moment.
It's amazing how one man struggles with the concept that someone is the best if there's nobody else who's better, in Armys world you have to completely dominate to be the best.
But Jakob winning every single 5000 final he's competed in since becoming a senior is apparently not dominant enough for him to think he's the best in the 5000.
It's amazing how one man struggles with the concept that someone is the best if there's nobody else who's better, in Armys world you have to completely dominate to be the best.
But Jakob winning every single 5000 final he's competed in since becoming a senior is apparently not dominant enough for him to think he's the best in the 5000.
It’s not only one man struggling with the concept of Jakob being the # 1 in the 5000m -there are several of us. And even WA ranks Jakob behind Gebrhiwet for 2024…
It’s hard to place Jakob when he doesn’t do all out 5000 meters. I think of current active athletes it’s natural to rank him behind Cheptegei and Gebrhiwet, and maybe somewhere near the 12.38 runner Kejelcha. But one could make a case of placing him as far back as a 12.42 runner, since all the medalists behind him in his global wins had “weak” pb’s…
Your insults towards Cheptegei are really misplaced -he’s as tough as they come. And he doesn’t duck Jakob or anybody else -he shows up, but also running the 10000m has made it hard for him to prioritise the 5000m in champs.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
I almost do not know what to say anymore. Saying it is 5 years between 16.january 2025 and 7.august 2021 is on par with your other facts. (Remember that "2020 olympics" was in 21.).
It's amazing how one man struggles with the concept that someone is the best if there's nobody else who's better, in Armys world you have to completely dominate to be the best.
But Jakob winning every single 5000 final he's competed in since becoming a senior is apparently not dominant enough for him to think he's the best in the 5000.
It’s not only one man struggling with the concept of Jakob being the # 1 in the 5000m -there are several of us. And even WA ranks Jakob behind Gebrhiwet for 2024…
It’s hard to place Jakob when he doesn’t do all out 5000 meters. I think of current active athletes it’s natural to rank him behind Cheptegei and Gebrhiwet, and maybe somewhere near the 12.38 runner Kejelcha. But one could make a case of placing him as far back as a 12.42 runner, since all the medalists behind him in his global wins had “weak” pb’s…
Your insults towards Cheptegei are really misplaced -he’s as tough as they come. And he doesn’t duck Jakob or anybody else -he shows up, but also running the 10000m has made it hard for him to prioritise the 5000m in champs.
Again, Jakob has not lost a single 5000m final since becoming a senior and he's facing the fastest field the sport has seen. It's very easy to rank the person who has literally never lost in a global and regional final as a senior.
Cheptegei can't beat him in a final, Gebrhiwet can't beat him in a final, Kejelcha can't beat him in a final, neither can Kiplimo, Haile Bekele, Aregawi, Barega, Katir, Krop...
Why on earth would anyone think Gebrhiwet is better than Jakob? His best results are silver in Worlds 2013, Bronze in Worlds 2015 and Bronze at Rio 2016. That's a conclusion you can only come to if you think fast times are more important than championships, and that would mean someone like Mo Ahmed or Grant Fisher is better than Jakob just because they have a faster PB.
And no, I don't have any personal grievances with Cheptegei, but you can hardly claim he shows up to the 5000 when he doesn't start more global finals than he has started.
It’s not only one man struggling with the concept of Jakob being the # 1 in the 5000m -there are several of us. And even WA ranks Jakob behind Gebrhiwet for 2024…
It’s hard to place Jakob when he doesn’t do all out 5000 meters. I think of current active athletes it’s natural to rank him behind Cheptegei and Gebrhiwet, and maybe somewhere near the 12.38 runner Kejelcha. But one could make a case of placing him as far back as a 12.42 runner, since all the medalists behind him in his global wins had “weak” pb’s…
Your insults towards Cheptegei are really misplaced -he’s as tough as they come. And he doesn’t duck Jakob or anybody else -he shows up, but also running the 10000m has made it hard for him to prioritise the 5000m in champs.
Again, Jakob has not lost a single 5000m final since becoming a senior and he's facing the fastest field the sport has seen. It's very easy to rank the person who has literally never lost in a global and regional final as a senior.
Cheptegei can't beat him in a final, Gebrhiwet can't beat him in a final, Kejelcha can't beat him in a final, neither can Kiplimo, Haile Bekele, Aregawi, Barega, Katir, Krop...
Why on earth would anyone think Gebrhiwet is better than Jakob? His best results are silver in Worlds 2013, Bronze in Worlds 2015 and Bronze at Rio 2016. That's a conclusion you can only come to if you think fast times are more important than championships, and that would mean someone like Mo Ahmed or Grant Fisher is better than Jakob just because they have a faster PB.
And no, I don't have any personal grievances with Cheptegei, but you can hardly claim he shows up to the 5000 when he doesn't start more global finals than he has started.
Jakob’s victories in the 5000m are a little bit of an enigma for all of us. If only because he doesn’t back it up with 1500m titles. You saw how he won Budapest 5000m sick and ill over a dope fest healthy Mo Katir?
It seems the 5000m is the only event in this world where sickness can’t get to him because maybe he was meant to run well in the event. He can’t do the same in the 1500m sick or healthy.
This is why our Napolean Armstrongluv is right about Jakob being an inferior athlete to the likes of Kerr and even Nuguse and Shocker.
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It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
So best guess is he might try to change that in China. We will see.
The fact you acknowledge he needs to change it confirms what I said.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
But there are like three or four other things that the rest of us "dummies" on this thread are taking into account, not just "global titles."
fastest time of the year
diamond league domination
global titles (including things like USAs, Euros, Commonwealth Games, World Indoors)
"race making" and setting the tone of the races
event relevancy (are you "in the mix" race after race)
It is fine to disagree with what other people value, but value judgements are literally opinions. If you simply don't think one of the above categories is important, fine. It is a free country, but you can't get mad when people (like me) don't come to the same conclusions as you. I am using a different set of criteria.
You have to. If you go with the biggest titles over the distance he is a consistent loser.
It's nearly 4 years since Ingebrigtsen has won a global 1500 championship title. That's as long as Snell's entire career and longer than Elliott's. That's a long time to keep losing on the big occasion over your main distance.
You are such a manipulative moron lol
When you want ro criticize Jakob for his HM result you say that that is his best distance. When you want to criticize hia 1500m performances you say the 1500 are his main distance.
You should have been a politician. You lie, you manipulate, you never admit when you are wrong, you ignore uncomfortable questions, you move goalposts... Pathetic.
I didn't say the HM is Ingebrigtsen's "best distance" - he did. That's why I put the comment in quotation marks. It isn't true of course.
The 1500 is his main distance; he races it more than any other.
2 world 1500 championship losses in a row and a flop at the same event in the Olympics. Didn't even place. No WC or Olympic championship 1500 title since 2021. Wightman, Kerr (who owns him), Hocker and Nuguse all have the measure of him in his main event. There will be others. I know who's crying into their beer.
These words are coming from the man who thinks Joshua Cheptegei is better than Jakob in the 5000, if you're all wondering how intellectually honest and unbiased he is.
Cheptegei who has one single global gold medal and finished 8th at Rio, 9th at Eugene and didn't bother to show up at London, Doha, Budapest and Paris. For some reason being the fastest in the 5000 is very important to Army but completely irrelevant in the 1500. I wonder why.
Cheptegei's records completely outstrip anything Ingebrigtsen has done. I can't remember when they met in the track - and they never have over the 10k.
Ingebrigtsen has lost 3 major races in a row against Kerr, didn't place at the Olympics and has lost to a series of other runners in his best event. He has no WC or Olympic title in his main distance since 2021. He has the fastest time currently but it is only in the region of being a second or so faster than those now beating him.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
Les than 3 1/2 years - for our dummy that's 5 years.
2020 is 5 years ago, for f***sake. It is the years since that show the change in their respective careers. Kerr now regularly beats Ingebrigtsen in the 1500. So do a bunch of the "next guys".
In the three years since his Kerr's Bronze, Ingebrigtsen-Kerr at 1500m/Mile stands at 6-4.
No one of the "next guys" has beaten Ingebrigtsen more than once. For the dummy, they beat him regularly.
They do beat him regularly - they take turns. He has lost to one or more of them at a global championship every year since 2021 (and the Prefontaine Classic last year). He's becoming their pigeon.
It's amazing how one man struggles with the concept that someone is the best if there's nobody else who's better, in Armys world you have to completely dominate to be the best.
But Jakob winning every single 5000 final he's competed in since becoming a senior is apparently not dominant enough for him to think he's the best in the 5000.
He's raced a mere handful of times over the 5k. It's not exactly a definitive measure. In the meantime he isn't even in the same stratosphere as those with the fastest times over the distance. That isn't an athlete who is clearly the best. Similarly, he is no longer clearly the best over the 1500 - he's in the bunch.
holy sh!t get a life dude lmao are you mentally unstable and insecure where you have to go through and reply to ever single post?? its ridiculously pathetic, you have a vendetta again Jakob for some reason and are clearly mentally unstable currently, I'd recommend getting the f off letsrun and improving your life instead of being a pathetic loser who gets constantly downvoted on message board
I liked Kerr up until the point he started his sh1ttalking. I'd respect him so much more if: 1. He didn't sh1t on Jakob on every podcast he was on 2. Raced more frequently (Without looking it up I'm pretty certain that among the top 10-15 guys in the 1500m/mile in the world, Kerr is the one who competes the most rarely)
Another thing: Kerr is currently in his prime years. He's 27 at the moment (turning 28 in october) most 1500m runners seem to peak somehwere between the year they turn 23 and the year they turn 27 (There are of course some exceptions, but most runners land inside that window of age). It's pretty fair to say that Jakob has some advantage age-wise compared to Kerr (he's 3 years younger). And I do wonder if Kerr will suddenly stop with his trash-talk when he realizes that he's past his prime. It will happen eventually. 3:27.79 might be his lifetime best, and it might not. He might be able to improve upon it (although I don't think it will be by a big margin). His best chance is probably in Monaco. I'm around 50/50 when it comes to him improving his PB. I'm excited for the 2025 season (both indoor and outdoor), and I'll hope we get to see as many Kerr-Jakob face-offs as possible. With Hocker, Nuguse, Kessler, Laros, Cheruiyot in the mix would be even better.
Kerr raced 13 times in 2022, 10 times in 2023, and 9 times in 2024, not including heats in any of those years. It's not hugely out of line with what others do, except Jakob, who is a massive outlier. He should probably have done one more DL in 2024 as he only managed two. Skipping out on the DL final in 2023 seems to have been an unforgivable sin to some on these boards which is fair enough, though I don't consider that to be particularly special anyway, it's just another rabbited DL, which is dumb considering it proclaims itself to be a championship race. In any case, you'll get what you want this year as Kerr has already committed to four 1500m races against the other Olympic medallists as well as a H2H against Nuguse at Millrose.