I don't think it is fair how Kenyan's are targeted here. Just because they dope doesn't mean they need to be subjected to controls 365/24/7. Especially if it is off season. Who cares. Let them train in peace and prepare just like other athletes, too.
No one complained when Albertos athletes had all these helps like a cooling vest, altitude tent and underwater treadmill. The Kenyans have nothing of that.
All the have is the Nairobi Airport Hilton pharmacy. Someone must be leaking information and if that is true then it is not a level playing field.
See, I don’t quite get the point here. Kenya and the AIU uncovered a lot of doping and the AIU investigated Kenya and determined there wasn’t state-sponsored doping like Russia. So what’s the next action item?
Increasing and widening testing, adding education, and requiring Kenyans be tested more than anyone else. The elite Kenyans get tested 2-3x more, the scrubs get tested at all. If Morgan McDonald gets tested once a year, do you think 13:30/28:30/61:00 guys anywhere in the world get tested?
In the short-term, if there were NOT a lot more drug busts it’d actually be a concern. They are testing obscure athletes that never used to be tested and high-level athletes (11.4 times in 10 months on avg) way more. To me, I want to see if the top Kenyan road runners and track runners see an uptick in doping cases. So far, it has decidedly not happened, especially on the track. There’re a few top road/10,000m runners - Kipruto, Cherono, Kwemoi, Belet a few others and then Tri Acetate thing which was odd/short-lived as it is moronic doping
Addendum: When’s the last prominent track athlete who got busted for a substance? Washed Michael Saruni who’d get bounced in the heats of Trials? Brenda Chebet who couldn’t sniff a team if Ejore/Ewoi were racing? That's despite the jacked-up testing we’ve seen since Tokyo.
I think you're missing the point that Kenya just had its worst global championships for years, had its worst world U20 Championships in its history, and whose athletes finish last in 1500m finals now, when they had at least medalled in them for decades. The testing is serving its purpose.
Fact Check : The last prominent Kenyan track athlete to be busted was Rhonex Kipruto, broze medal winner in the 10000m at the 2019 World Championships, and banned 4 months ago for a 'deliberate and sophisticated doping regimen'.
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See, I don’t quite get the point here. Kenya and the AIU uncovered a lot of doping and the AIU investigated Kenya and determined there wasn’t state-sponsored doping like Russia. So what’s the next action item?
Increasing and widening testing, adding education, and requiring Kenyans be tested more than anyone else. The elite Kenyans get tested 2-3x more, the scrubs get tested at all. If Morgan McDonald gets tested once a year, do you think 13:30/28:30/61:00 guys anywhere in the world get tested?
In the short-term, if there were NOT a lot more drug busts it’d actually be a concern. They are testing obscure athletes that never used to be tested and high-level athletes (11.4 times in 10 months on avg) way more. To me, I want to see if the top Kenyan road runners and track runners see an uptick in doping cases. So far, it has decidedly not happened, especially on the track. There’re a few top road/10,000m runners - Kipruto, Cherono, Kwemoi, Belet a few others and then Tri Acetate thing which was odd/short-lived as it is moronic doping
Addendum: When’s the last prominent track athlete who got busted for a substance? Washed Michael Saruni who’d get bounced in the heats of Trials? Brenda Chebet who couldn’t sniff a team if Ejore/Ewoi were racing? That's despite the jacked-up testing we’ve seen since Tokyo.
I think you're missing the point that Kenya just had its worst World Championships for years
It was the Olympics this year, darling. And the women did pretty well.
See, I don’t quite get the point here. Kenya and the AIU uncovered a lot of doping and the AIU investigated Kenya and determined there wasn’t state-sponsored doping like Russia. So what’s the next action item?
Increasing and widening testing, adding education, and requiring Kenyans be tested more than anyone else. The elite Kenyans get tested 2-3x more, the scrubs get tested at all. If Morgan McDonald gets tested once a year, do you think 13:30/28:30/61:00 guys anywhere in the world get tested?
In the short-term, if there were NOT a lot more drug busts it’d actually be a concern. They are testing obscure athletes that never used to be tested and high-level athletes (11.4 times in 10 months on avg) way more. To me, I want to see if the top Kenyan road runners and track runners see an uptick in doping cases. So far, it has decidedly not happened, especially on the track. There’re a few top road/10,000m runners - Kipruto, Cherono, Kwemoi, Belet a few others and then Tri Acetate thing which was odd/short-lived as it is moronic doping
Addendum: When’s the last prominent track athlete who got busted for a substance? Washed Michael Saruni who’d get bounced in the heats of Trials? Brenda Chebet who couldn’t sniff a team if Ejore/Ewoi were racing? That's despite the jacked-up testing we’ve seen since Tokyo.
I think you're missing the point that Kenya just had its worst global championships for years, had its worst world U20 Championships in its history, and whose athletes finish last in 1500m finals now, when they had at least medalled in them for decades. The testing is serving its purpose.
Fact Check : The last prominent Kenyan track athlete to be busted was Rhonex Kipruto, broze medal winner in the 10000m at the 2019 World Championships, and banned 4 months ago for a 'deliberate and sophisticated doping regimen'.
Not Kenyans in distance, not Jamaicans in sprinting, not Chinese in diving, not Bulgarians in weightlifting, not Russians in figure skating, not Canadians in hockey, not Indians in field hockey, not British in rowing, not Americans in basketball, etc etc etc etc.
And this extends to ethnic groups as well as national groups.
All of high-level sports is the same: whatever is prioritized, wherever the resources are allocated. It used to be done largely for political reasons, now it is for politics and money, as the money has appeared. And politics and money are about power.
Sport and power, inextricably linked. Started in antiquity, with sport arising as a direct metaphor of power. The first sports were all military/combat analogs, and they evolved a bit from there but retain the same basic premises of victory and defeat.
Not Kenyans in distance, not Jamaicans in sprinting, not Chinese in diving, not Bulgarians in weightlifting, not Russians in figure skating, not Canadians in hockey, not Indians in field hockey, not British in rowing, not Americans in basketball, etc etc etc etc.
And this extends to ethnic groups as well as national groups.
All of high-level sports is the same: whatever is prioritized, wherever the resources are allocated. It used to be done largely for political reasons, now it is for politics and money, as the money has appeared. And politics and money are about power.
Sport and power, inextricably linked. Started in antiquity, with sport arising as a direct metaphor of power. The first sports were all military/combat analogs, and they evolved a bit from there but retain the same basic premises of victory and defeat.
I think you're missing the point that Kenya just had its worst global championships for years, had its worst world U20 Championships in its history, and whose athletes finish last in 1500m finals now, when they had at least medalled in them for decades. The testing is serving its purpose.
Fact Check : The last prominent Kenyan track athlete to be busted was Rhonex Kipruto, broze medal winner in the 10000m at the 2019 World Championships, and banned 4 months ago for a 'deliberate and sophisticated doping regimen'.
Fact check: False they had 11 medals, 4 gold. They had far worse performances across golds/medals in 2000 and 2004. Tokyo they got 10 medals so it was worse by that standard (they did get more silvers), and in London they got 13 medals but only 2 were gold so you can argue if it was better or worse. The chart only goes back to 2000. So in the last 7 this is either ranked the 3rd best or 4th best.
You obsess over the 1500, but ignore all other events of the women’s side which is silly.
Rhonex Kipruto was an occasional track runner after 2019. He got called into the Tokyo 10,000 in 2021 due to injuries. That was his lone track race all year. In 2022 he finished 6th at Kenyan trials in his second track race (contractually he ran the Police champs it seems) - he was not an A-lister in the track. In 2023 he ran on the roads twice.
The “big names” 2019 on are Korir, Rotich, Wanyonyi, Tim, Kipsang, Kibiwot, Koech, Serem, C. Kipruto, Krop, Kimeli, Kwemoi. All I think either won a global medal or a DL final. On the womens side Moraa, Kipyegon, Chepkoech, Cherotich, Kipkemboi, Chebet, Obiri all fit that category.
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Manangoi (younger than Jakob?) Vincent Kibet Ketter
Reynold Cheruiyot (the bright winner of U20)
All these names are stuck and progressing at pace of a tortoise !!!
What is happening?
Age cheating and limited ability to dope.
But for certain they will be doping like there's no tomorrow right now, while Athletics Kenya has no money to test.
If Kenya doesn't get banned, expect to see George Manangoi go sub 3:30 again (maybe even Elijah...hell, maybe even Kiprop), Potato Tim to get the better of Jakob again, and Reynold Cheruiyot or Brian Komen to break El G's WR.
ThoughtLeader's rationale will be :
George Manangoi - 'he took a break for a couple of years, and now he's serious again'.
Elijah Manangoi - 'Your obsession with Manangoi is weird. It wasn't easy not being able to race for a couple of years, but now he's back in his groove'.
Reynold Cheruiyot/Brian Komen - 'progression is not always linear. They could both have broken 3:26 in 2024 if they had been in the right races'.
In my book the only two countries that should be allowed to compete are Kenya and America.
Kenya is banning dopers unlike countries that are blatantly cheating like Ethiopia. It's a simple reality that the best runners in athletics are cheating, so just like with Covid, those who test the most will get the most positive results. Kenya anti-doping is the #1 doping control agency in the world.
The US should be allowed to compete because we are the only country in the world that can produce world class talent without PEDs. We are the only country on the planet that has a vast development system/pool. This development system is able to creat high level athletes without PEDs. No other country in the world has a system even close to as effective as the US.
We all know that the only way for Europeans countries to compete with Americans is using PEDs. This forces Americans to use PEDs to win. If everyone got banned except Americans and Kenyans, the sport would finally be fair.
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You have no idea what "strong" athletes will do. Your use of the term is nothing more than that if an athlete isn't doping they must be "strong", since only the "weak" dope. You have no other way of defining the difference between strong and weak, except whether they dope or not. Since you don't know who is doping and who isn't you have no idea which athletes are "strong" or "weak". Like most things, the terms are meaningless coming out of your mouth. But what this thread shows is that another 8 Kenyans have been cited with violations. That's more than some countries would have incurred in the history of their sport. Kenya no longer has any legitimate place in international sport. Your inane waffle is utterly irrelevant to the seriousness of the problem.
If an athlete chooses to dope, it is because they are not strong.
Why are you so unable to cope with my decision not to worship dopers? Weren't you the guy who just told us: "However in your obsession with these matters - none of it matters. Everything here is simply a matter of opinion. But yours appear to be a matter of life and death to you. This is a place of hot air. That's all."
George Manangoi - 'he took a break for a couple of years, and now he's serious again'.
Elijah Manangoi - 'Your obsession with Manangoi is weird. It wasn't easy not being able to race for a couple of years, but now he's back in his groove'.
Reynold Cheruiyot/Brian Komen - 'progression is not always linear. They could both have broken 3:26 in 2024 if they had been in the right races'.
I know you are serious but these posts make me laugh.
