Gain insights into Jakob Ingebrigtsen's 5k gold medal winning run. Hear more regarding Jakob's training and the effort needed to step on top of the Paris 2024 Olympic podium.
The article suggests he has a HRmax of 196bpm, though that might have been only the standard setting of the watch (220-age).
Shouldn't he finish much closer to his HRmax? Did the optical sensor of his watch track inaccurately? Or is the sponsored article nothing more than a pseudoscientific ad with nonsense data anyways?
surprisingly you can only be at top hr for a short amount of time. So you have to tim things correct. It's more of the being at high intensity for 10mins not max intensity
i don't trust the accuracy of their data collection
it makes no sense that Jakob hit a max hr of 183 during the portion of the race from 3000 - 4400m, but only 182 during the final 600 when he was really on the throttle
Using the "formula" 220-age to determine Max HR is bound to be inaccurate, especially when it comes to elite endurance althetes.
So unless his ACTUAL Max HR is known the Data is utterly pointless.
I would however predict his actual Max HR somewhere between 190-193 BPM.
He wasn’t wearing a strap or the armband when he was racing. The data from the wrist sensor isn’t accurate. That said, I think the Coros app requires you to test Max HR and the other data posted after the Olympics showed his max HR was 196. But even Jakob would be within one or two beats of max when racing a 3k all out. That’s how human physiology works. Even for the most aerobically developed athletes in the world.
i don't trust the accuracy of their data collection
it makes no sense that Jakob hit a max hr of 183 during the portion of the race from 3000 - 4400m, but only 182 during the final 600 when he was really on the throttle
No, it does make sense. When you suddenly switch to running mostly anaerobic, that component by definition doesn’t use oxygen, so there is a lag for the HR to catch up with the effort. I find brief surges often don’t increase HR or sometimes even decrease it, but you obviously can’t sustain it for long.
Wrist sensors really just guess your HR based on the pace you're running. I throw my Garmin off if I start picking it up on technical trails. It feels like I am laboring a bit but it still says my HR is what it is for an easy jog at 8min pace. Although 8 min pace though some rocky trails, mud and switchbacks is starting to move a little bit (at least for me).
i don't trust the accuracy of their data collection
it makes no sense that Jakob hit a max hr of 183 during the portion of the race from 3000 - 4400m, but only 182 during the final 600 when he was really on the throttle
No, it does make sense. When you suddenly switch to running mostly anaerobic, that component by definition doesn’t use oxygen, so there is a lag for the HR to catch up with the effort. I find brief surges often don’t increase HR or sometimes even decrease it, but you obviously can’t sustain it for long.
A lag, but I can only imagine it being very small. With my non- medical background , the way I understand the “lack of oxygen” is being addressed by the body increasing the hr almost immediately to supply the oxygen through the blood supply.
2 possibilities either the data is wrong or 183 is his max heart rate as the 220 minus age is not infallible as i as an unfit 30 year old regularly get 200 finishing my slow runs
i don't trust the accuracy of their data collection
it makes no sense that Jakob hit a max hr of 183 during the portion of the race from 3000 - 4400m, but only 182 during the final 600 when he was really on the throttle
i don't trust the accuracy of their data collection
it makes no sense that Jakob hit a max hr of 183 during the portion of the race from 3000 - 4400m, but only 182 during the final 600 when he was really on the throttle
You never speed up and feel better?
that has nothing to do with hr, though
here are jakob's splits per km
2:50.70 2:47.60 2:40.00 2:34.30 - this is the km in which he supposedly hit his max hr during the race 2:21.06 - last 800 in 1:50.3, last 400 in ~53.3
had he been wearing a chest strap i'm confident we would have seen a steady rise in hr throughout the entire race and over the last 100m it would have been very close to his actual max in the 190s. no chance it would have gone down that last kilometer while speeding up like that.
Agree with the data quality concerns, but I also think one won't reach max HR in a typical 5k race unless they've gone too hard too soon. If you've hit max HR your kick will suck, even if you hit max HR during your kick. If Jacob finished the race and then kept going for another lap at 100% effort at a slowly decreasing pace as he fizzled out, that would be closer to max HR.
Agree with the data quality concerns, but I also think one won't reach max HR in a typical 5k race unless they've gone too hard too soon. If you've hit max HR your kick will suck, even if you hit max HR during your kick. If Jacob finished the race and then kept going for another lap at 100% effort at a slowly decreasing pace as he fizzled out, that would be closer to max HR.
I'm not sure about that. My experience is that I would reach max HR on the last of something like 5x1000m. If I had some training fatigue, I'd hit it and then not be able to sustain to the end.
