The statements he made just days before the Copenhagen half-marathon were made in the context of the Copenhagen half-marathon. The statements he made back in March, eight months ago, were not.
I think there’s a reason why Jakob picked a HM, and not a full marathon (that obviously also would be fun for a curious guy like him to run, given he never has exceeded a 20 km long run) -he knows of course that his training isn’t fully fit for a marathon, and that the distance would demand some special preparations… But not necessarily so when it comes to the HM (in his mindset) -he has run the distance (Sunday 20km long runs) for many years, and the opportunity to be drafted all the way must have been to good to not consider…
Jakob says a lot of seemingly contradictory stuff. E.g that one has to be prepared and everything has to align to break WRs, but also that by racing a lot one sometimes unprepared reaches the goal. -One has to go on trying, multiple times, also in unfavourable conditions…
Some more of Jakob’s seemingly contradictory claims: It’s extremely important to have a balanced training (not too hard single work outs) because it’s likewise important not to get injured. But in another setting he says something like this: “One has to balance on the edge of getting injured -every top athlete should be prepared for / “go for” getting an injury of importance 4-5 times in a career to reach one’s potential by pushing one’s ability hard enough to the limits.” And he also stresses that he always goes for the win when he competes (even when he obviously is a under dog), despite obvious examples where he clearly didn’t, e.g his 2020 7.27 flat 3000m against Kiplimo and McSweyn, where he exposed himself on the last lap to lose because his primary goal was to break the European record.
Jakob’s statements above is totally fine in my reading -they don’t annihilate each others; they must be understood as a balancing of equally important considerations. But I could do, as you, cherry pick one, and insist that he clearly and only went for the win in Copenhagen, since he says he always goes for the win. But I don’t -what I am saying is that that seems to be one of the thoughts he had in his head, but that he obviously also might have alternative thoughts as well… And it’s of no importance if he says things in March or not, as long as he not denies or corrects his sayings later.
Jakob has repeatedly stated that HM is his sweet spot event -not in a dim future, but based on his talent and training now. -That doesn’t of course mean that he would do his all time best in Copenhagen, or that he wouldn’t been better off to wait one month and a half to race Kejelcha in Valencia in stead. It just means that there’s a huge discrepancy between Jakob’s talking with his mouth (about distance ability) and talking by the legs. And that it will be interesting how he explains this. But I personally can’t see any way without him (and you for that matters) eating some crow in that process…!
Do you think before Copenhagen, Ingebrigtsen thought about his current form
I think there’s a reason why Jakob picked a HM, and not a full marathon (that obviously also would be fun for a curious guy like him to run, given he never has exceeded a 20 km long run) -he knows of course that his training isn’t fully fit for a marathon, and that the distance would demand some special preparations… But not necessarily so when it comes to the HM (in his mindset) -he has run the distance (Sunday 20km long runs) for many years, and the opportunity to be drafted all the way must have been to good to not consider…
Jakob says a lot of seemingly contradictory stuff. E.g that one has to be prepared and everything has to align to break WRs, but also that by racing a lot one sometimes unprepared reaches the goal. -One has to go on trying, multiple times, also in unfavourable conditions…
Some more of Jakob’s seemingly contradictory claims: It’s extremely important to have a balanced training (not too hard single work outs) because it’s likewise important not to get injured. But in another setting he says something like this: “One has to balance on the edge of getting injured -every top athlete should be prepared for / “go for” getting an injury of importance 4-5 times in a career to reach one’s potential by pushing one’s ability hard enough to the limits.” And he also stresses that he always goes for the win when he competes (even when he obviously is a under dog), despite obvious examples where he clearly didn’t, e.g his 2020 7.27 flat 3000m against Kiplimo and McSweyn, where he exposed himself on the last lap to lose because his primary goal was to break the European record.
Jakob’s statements above is totally fine in my reading -they don’t annihilate each others; they must be understood as a balancing of equally important considerations. But I could do, as you, cherry pick one, and insist that he clearly and only went for the win in Copenhagen, since he says he always goes for the win. But I don’t -what I am saying is that that seems to be one of the thoughts he had in his head, but that he obviously also might have alternative thoughts as well… And it’s of no importance if he says things in March or not, as long as he not denies or corrects his sayings later.
Jakob has repeatedly stated that HM is his sweet spot event -not in a dim future, but based on his talent and training now. -That doesn’t of course mean that he would do his all time best in Copenhagen, or that he wouldn’t been better off to wait one month and a half to race Kejelcha in Valencia in stead. It just means that there’s a huge discrepancy between Jakob’s talking with his mouth (about distance ability) and talking by the legs. And that it will be interesting how he explains this. But I personally can’t see any way without him (and you for that matters) eating some crow in that process…!
I think you are way overthinking it. Jakob gave us his expectations before the race. That is the right context.
We have known how training and racing works for decades if not centuries, regardless of what Jakob may have said in other contexts. It is no mystery that any athlete, after a long season in the Olympics and Diamond League, focused on 1500m/5000m, should be any different than what Jakob said before, and did, in his first half-marathon at the end of such a long season, without specific preparation.
I think there’s a reason why Jakob picked a HM, and not a full marathon (that obviously also would be fun for a curious guy like him to run, given he never has exceeded a 20 km long run) -he knows of course that his training isn’t fully fit for a marathon, and that the distance would demand some special preparations… But not necessarily so when it comes to the HM (in his mindset) -he has run the distance (Sunday 20km long runs) for many years, and the opportunity to be drafted all the way must have been to good to not consider…
Jakob says a lot of seemingly contradictory stuff. E.g that one has to be prepared and everything has to align to break WRs, but also that by racing a lot one sometimes unprepared reaches the goal. -One has to go on trying, multiple times, also in unfavourable conditions…
Some more of Jakob’s seemingly contradictory claims: It’s extremely important to have a balanced training (not too hard single work outs) because it’s likewise important not to get injured. But in another setting he says something like this: “One has to balance on the edge of getting injured -every top athlete should be prepared for / “go for” getting an injury of importance 4-5 times in a career to reach one’s potential by pushing one’s ability hard enough to the limits.” And he also stresses that he always goes for the win when he competes (even when he obviously is a under dog), despite obvious examples where he clearly didn’t, e.g his 2020 7.27 flat 3000m against Kiplimo and McSweyn, where he exposed himself on the last lap to lose because his primary goal was to break the European record.
Jakob’s statements above is totally fine in my reading -they don’t annihilate each others; they must be understood as a balancing of equally important considerations. But I could do, as you, cherry pick one, and insist that he clearly and only went for the win in Copenhagen, since he says he always goes for the win. But I don’t -what I am saying is that that seems to be one of the thoughts he had in his head, but that he obviously also might have alternative thoughts as well… And it’s of no importance if he says things in March or not, as long as he not denies or corrects his sayings later.
Jakob has repeatedly stated that HM is his sweet spot event -not in a dim future, but based on his talent and training now. -That doesn’t of course mean that he would do his all time best in Copenhagen, or that he wouldn’t been better off to wait one month and a half to race Kejelcha in Valencia in stead. It just means that there’s a huge discrepancy between Jakob’s talking with his mouth (about distance ability) and talking by the legs. And that it will be interesting how he explains this. But I personally can’t see any way without him (and you for that matters) eating some crow in that process…!
Do you think before Copenhagen, Ingebrigtsen thought about his current form
No, not something like that. 12:30 will probably never happen and no human being will ever run 25:50 and 56:45.
I bet you are wrong, especially about the 12:30. In the next 50 years, guaranteed. In the next ten years, 12:30 likely, 25:50 and 56:45 likely not (unless there is another big jump in technology (shoes or PEDs). Next year, 12:30 unlikely but possible; 25:50 and 56:45 not possible.
As for Jakob, most of you are too extreme in your viewpoints IMHO. Surely he neither expected to go under 57 nor over 60 minutes.
Earlier this year in a profile in The Times, Jakob said, “I am a half-marathon man. That’s where I am best. I get a bit worse the further I do down in distance. At 10k I’m a bit worse, and at 5k I’m a bit worse again, and then the same for the 1,500m. I’m an endurance athlete. The 1,500m is my worst event.”
How many times do you want to post this?
No way he thought and wanted to communicate that he currently is better in the HM than in the 1500m. The events are too different.
No way we tell now if his statement is true. After Copenhagen I'm more sceptical than before.
Where did he say that? He made no qualifying comment of his claim that he is a HM man and that is where he is best.
I didn't duck anything. The half marathon may indeed still be his best distance.
Who was talking "about having to train specifically for different events from the 1500 to the HM"? I just quoted him saying "everything needs to be aligned" and "you need to make a couple attempts" and "it takes a lot of time and still a lot of work to be done to get there". He said that before the race.
Indeed, he was poorly prepared for the half-marathon, as he told us, having trained for 1500m and 5000m at the end of a long season.
You did claim "most expected". That is no lie. Maybe you should be concerned that you don't remember what you said. This is a repeating pattern for the last few years. No one said "every poster" until you just now.
I'm not sure I even read the other threads, at least not in real time, so you are correct that I am one of those who said nothing. But I did read whay Jakob said. Finishing in 63 minutes is better than he expected, because he didn't know if he could even finish, after a long season focused on 1500m.
I think you are cherry picking limitlessly, and presenting cites from Jakob without looking on other cites and context. And therefore I think you conclude extremely wrongly. (Claiming that Jakob should be / was very pleased with his 63.13 and 27.27, and that this was just a fun and random HM to him). Well, at least I think Jakob suffers from a severe cognitive dissonance if he supports your reasoning, which I really hope he doesn’t…
I think Copenhagen was a much worse blow in the face for Jakob than even his Olympic 1500m misery, because this 10k/ HM must affect all his thinking about his own talent, training philosophy and future. -Something must be very wrong when you run more than 5 min slower than expected in your favourite distance…
You keep saying that Jakob wasn’t well prepared for the HM, and that he just went for it as a spontaneous joyful thing, and that it therefore was just a random HM. But the fact is this: 1. He contacted the arrangement two weeks before race day. 2. He knew very well that this race could be the fastest race in the HM history -WR holder Kiplimo and Wchamp Sawe announced the race as a WR attempt, with maybe the best pacer of all time, Aregawi. And the conditions were excellent. -Hardly a random race, if you ask me…
Here’s what I think Jakob thought: 1. This chance is too good to not grasp -as an underdog I am allowed to let the two top guys draft me most of the way. And I can also use Filip as an alternative pacer if Aregawi goes way too fast under WR pace in the first part of the race, and maybe catch up with the guys and beat them if they hit the wall…
2. The race might come a little too close to Brussels (36 hours), and I might be leggy, but last year I had 24 hours between two important races (Eugene), and was just a little leggy then, and won both… And just like in 2022 and 2023 I don’t really suffer from a long season (this is the shortest I have had, and there’s a reason why I’m so motivated for this race: No fatigue). And it’s true that I have prioritised 1500/5000m, but since I never thin down my training in the season too much anyway, I think I can manage. -I’m obviously not especially prepared for a HM now, but the drafting advantage may compensate for that. -On a lucky day I might even win, maybe in a WR. After all my talent and over all training favours this distance…
3. If I’m above average leggy I might have a hard time in the race. That could f.x mean that the two top guys are good for 57 low/mid whereas I could be a minute slower: Blow up alert if I then try to follow them all the way. -I might hit the wall one kilometre from the finish line, and struggle to finish (something like Cheptegei on his worst), but still break the National or European record. But why not try; in my 3000m WR I could have hit the wall (in the warm weather) when the pacers quit, and been past by Aregawi, but sometimes taking a chance pays off…
You categorically ignore that Jakob has claimed that HM is his best distance, based on his talent, and past and current training, as in the training he is doing now. And yes, he has stated that things must align to break a WR, and that one should prepare. But he has also said that racing a lot gives you opportunities to do (even unexpected) fast races. And his 3000m was set without everything aligning (to hot, wind guts, etc). And we know that Komen’s old record also was very unexpected based on his shape only a few days prior. And Kejelcha had very little pacing in his new record. And Jakob’s 2000m record was his first race after sickness… So I think Jakob didn’t expect a HM record based on his (lack of) preparations, but I think he saw it as a possibility on a lucky day…
You keep on saying that Jakob maybe expected to blow up and not finish. Yes, but I told you in and earlier post that this of course didn’t mean not being able to run half of the distance -that’s not a blow up; that’s just not being up to the task generally speaking. What Jakob clearly must have meant was blowing up in the last part of the race because of following the top guys in a murderous pace.
Lastly: Kejelcha is a good comparison: Just like Jakob he was in a “long” Olympic season, and also competed in the 3000 and 5000m (+10000m), but unlike Jakob he managed to run a superb HM, despite that their mileage training might be very alike. -Of course he had a much longer fall to prepare for his HM, and clearly wasn’t leggy (we don’t know if Jakob was -he hasn’t said so much), but the difference between them cries out for a explanation (from Jakob) for how HM can be Jakob’s best distance when he beats Kejelcha with 6 sec in the 3000m, but is almost 6 min slower in the HM..! I await for a huge explanation from Jakob, but it needs to be much better than your’s…
Well-reasoned and correct but impenetrable to the fanatics here.
But who expected it to be a good race, at the end of a long Olympic and Diamond League season focused on 1500m/5000m?
Jakob did not, and told us so.
I think it is a mistake to read too much into a race he decided to jump into at the last minute, without any preparation, which he himself said he wasn't even sure he could finish.
At best, there’s still no race result that indicates he’ll ever be world class at any distance past 5000m. It’s still just talk.
At best, there’s still no race result that indicates he’ll ever be world class at any distance past 5000m. It’s still just talk.
Yes, for now it is just talk about plans for the future.
You know that isn't what he means - but that is how you lie all the time, by changing the meaning of the words used. He is saying that Ingebrigtsen has shown nothing that demonstrates he is world-class beyond 5k. He is correct. There are no "plans for the future" that show otherwise. More empty talk.
The point is: what has Ingebrigtsen thought about his form in 2024.
Dumb and his Norwegian supporter claim he thought to be better the longer the event up to the HM.
Aren't those numbers the consequence? About what he thought about his form.
I don’t know what Jakob thought about his form in 2024. He has repeatedly stated that his talent and training are more suitable for HM and 10000m than for the the shorter events, but clearly that doesn’t mean that he just can put on his shoes and break the distance WRs anytime he wants, despite having the WR in shorter distances he claim to have an inferior talent in / training for. And for all I know his “running almost nothing for 5 months last winter” in Jakob’s mind could have made a difference in his view on the possibilities in the 3/5k contra 10k/HM in 2024…
What I expect (and I think Jakob expected from himself) is that Jakob (based on his claims) should be in somewhat the same territory as Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Gebrhiwet, Arigawi and Barega when it comes to track and road ability. That means that the Africans in some periods of the year prioritise track, and in some roads. And that probably also means that they can’t do a sub 58 anytime they want, or in any time of the year. So the same with Jakob.
One could say that Jakob prioritises 1500m on the track, whereas at least some of the Africans prioritise 10000m. But this is an over simplification as long as almost all the guys compete in the 3000m (even indoors), and are very good in the event. So it all comes down to a focus from Jakob that is more on the shorter distances, but not so much that he thins down his summer training like most other 1500m/5000m guys. -He is known for being extremely afraid of getting to little mileage / too much speed even during the track season. So one could expect Jakob to have a quite alike base like Kejelcha et co.
I don’t expect Jakob to beat Kiplimo and Kejelcha in a HM, and not even a 10000m. But Jakob has stated that he would do the 10000m in the champs when the schedule allows it, so who knows what he expects…-He certainly wouldn’t be there for silver! But the thing is this: Even without special preparations I would expect Jakob (based on his claims) to be within one minute of the other guys in a HM. -That means that he might blow up in the last couple of kilometres if he goes with f.x Kejelcha in WR pace. But running nearly 6 min off, and being pumped after 27.27 just doesn’t align with the capability and training Jakob has claimed. So I think it’s exciting how he will explain all this -was he extremely off that particularly day..? Or will we see some changes or new found humility in Jakob’s thinking also about the distance events..?
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No, not something like that. 12:30 will probably never happen and no human being will ever run 25:50 and 56:45.
"will never happen" is laughable thinking, especially after the times we have just seen in the last years.
The 5000m was improved by 2 seconds and the 10000m by 6 seconds, over the last 20 years. In the 10000m, what runner do you believe that can beat Bekele’s 10000m time by almost 30 seconds?
I think you are cherry picking limitlessly, and presenting cites from Jakob without looking on other cites and context. And therefore I think you conclude extremely wrongly. (Claiming that Jakob should be / was very pleased with his 63.13 and 27.27, and that this was just a fun and random HM to him). Well, at least I think Jakob suffers from a severe cognitive dissonance if he supports your reasoning, which I really hope he doesn’t…
I think Copenhagen was a much worse blow in the face for Jakob than even his Olympic 1500m misery, because this 10k/ HM must affect all his thinking about his own talent, training philosophy and future. -Something must be very wrong when you run more than 5 min slower than expected in your favourite distance…
You keep saying that Jakob wasn’t well prepared for the HM, and that he just went for it as a spontaneous joyful thing, and that it therefore was just a random HM. But the fact is this: 1. He contacted the arrangement two weeks before race day. 2. He knew very well that this race could be the fastest race in the HM history -WR holder Kiplimo and Wchamp Sawe announced the race as a WR attempt, with maybe the best pacer of all time, Aregawi. And the conditions were excellent. -Hardly a random race, if you ask me…
Here’s what I think Jakob thought: 1. This chance is too good to not grasp -as an underdog I am allowed to let the two top guys draft me most of the way. And I can also use Filip as an alternative pacer if Aregawi goes way too fast under WR pace in the first part of the race, and maybe catch up with the guys and beat them if they hit the wall…
2. The race might come a little too close to Brussels (36 hours), and I might be leggy, but last year I had 24 hours between two important races (Eugene), and was just a little leggy then, and won both… And just like in 2022 and 2023 I don’t really suffer from a long season (this is the shortest I have had, and there’s a reason why I’m so motivated for this race: No fatigue). And it’s true that I have prioritised 1500/5000m, but since I never thin down my training in the season too much anyway, I think I can manage. -I’m obviously not especially prepared for a HM now, but the drafting advantage may compensate for that. -On a lucky day I might even win, maybe in a WR. After all my talent and over all training favours this distance…
3. If I’m above average leggy I might have a hard time in the race. That could f.x mean that the two top guys are good for 57 low/mid whereas I could be a minute slower: Blow up alert if I then try to follow them all the way. -I might hit the wall one kilometre from the finish line, and struggle to finish (something like Cheptegei on his worst), but still break the National or European record. But why not try; in my 3000m WR I could have hit the wall (in the warm weather) when the pacers quit, and been past by Aregawi, but sometimes taking a chance pays off…
You categorically ignore that Jakob has claimed that HM is his best distance, based on his talent, and past and current training, as in the training he is doing now. And yes, he has stated that things must align to break a WR, and that one should prepare. But he has also said that racing a lot gives you opportunities to do (even unexpected) fast races. And his 3000m was set without everything aligning (to hot, wind guts, etc). And we know that Komen’s old record also was very unexpected based on his shape only a few days prior. And Kejelcha had very little pacing in his new record. And Jakob’s 2000m record was his first race after sickness… So I think Jakob didn’t expect a HM record based on his (lack of) preparations, but I think he saw it as a possibility on a lucky day…
You keep on saying that Jakob maybe expected to blow up and not finish. Yes, but I told you in and earlier post that this of course didn’t mean not being able to run half of the distance -that’s not a blow up; that’s just not being up to the task generally speaking. What Jakob clearly must have meant was blowing up in the last part of the race because of following the top guys in a murderous pace.
Lastly: Kejelcha is a good comparison: Just like Jakob he was in a “long” Olympic season, and also competed in the 3000 and 5000m (+10000m), but unlike Jakob he managed to run a superb HM, despite that their mileage training might be very alike. -Of course he had a much longer fall to prepare for his HM, and clearly wasn’t leggy (we don’t know if Jakob was -he hasn’t said so much), but the difference between them cries out for a explanation (from Jakob) for how HM can be Jakob’s best distance when he beats Kejelcha with 6 sec in the 3000m, but is almost 6 min slower in the HM..! I await for a huge explanation from Jakob, but it needs to be much better than your’s…
The statements he made just days before the Copenhagen half-marathon were made in the context of the Copenhagen half-marathon. The statements he made back in March, eight months ago, were not.
The statements on both occasions were made about the same distance. Has he at any stage said he was mistaken about claiming the HM is his "best distance"? Were the statements that you have exclusively relied on intended to show he is either an empty blowhard or an idiot - because if you take them as definitive of his views that's what it makes him appear? Perhaps the idiocy is yours, in choosing to believe he entered a high profile event that he has previously described as his best distance that he thinks he is in fact so ill-suited he would be lucky to simply finish, and in a pedestrian time. Has he said he is proud of his 63 minute effort and that it was above his expectations because he actually finished?
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"will never happen" is laughable thinking, especially after the times we have just seen in the last years.
The 5000m was improved by 2 seconds and the 10000m by 6 seconds, over the last 20 years. In the 10000m, what runner do you believe that can beat Bekele’s 10000m time by almost 30 seconds?
People have had the same nonsensical thinking anytime during running history. They discussed the impossibility of a sub 4 mile. Some thought Zatopek was the limit.
When a far from perfect athlete in far from perfect conditions in a far from perfect race can run 12:35.36, just the idea that sub 12:30 might be impossible is laughable.
30 seconds faster than Bekele? A better athlete in better conditions in a better paced race.
But you completely misunderstood the point you were replying to.
You remind me strongly on Dumb, who in all his comments in the last hour showed he didn't even understood the point he replied to.
The point is: what has Ingebrigtsen thought about his form in 2024.
Dumb and his Norwegian supporter claim he thought to be better the longer the event up to the HM.
Aren't those numbers the consequence? About what he thought about his form.
I don’t know what Jakob thought about his form in 2024. He has repeatedly stated that his talent and training are more suitable for HM and 10000m than for the the shorter events, but clearly that doesn’t mean that he just can put on his shoes and break the distance WRs anytime he wants, despite having the WR in shorter distances he claim to have an inferior talent in / training for. And for all I know his “running almost nothing for 5 months last winter” in Jakob’s mind could have made a difference in his view on the possibilities in the 3/5k contra 10k/HM in 2024…
What I expect (and I think Jakob expected from himself) is that Jakob (based on his claims) should be in somewhat the same territory as Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Gebrhiwet, Arigawi and Barega when it comes to track and road ability. That means that the Africans in some periods of the year prioritise track, and in some roads. And that probably also means that they can’t do a sub 58 anytime they want, or in any time of the year. So the same with Jakob.
One could say that Jakob prioritises 1500m on the track, whereas at least some of the Africans prioritise 10000m. But this is an over simplification as long as almost all the guys compete in the 3000m (even indoors), and are very good in the event. So it all comes down to a focus from Jakob that is more on the shorter distances, but not so much that he thins down his summer training like most other 1500m/5000m guys. -He is known for being extremely afraid of getting to little mileage / too much speed even during the track season. So one could expect Jakob to have a quite alike base like Kejelcha et co.
I don’t expect Jakob to beat Kiplimo and Kejelcha in a HM, and not even a 10000m. But Jakob has stated that he would do the 10000m in the champs when the schedule allows it, so who knows what he expects…-He certainly wouldn’t be there for silver! But the thing is this: Even without special preparations I would expect Jakob (based on his claims) to be within one minute of the other guys in a HM. -That means that he might blow up in the last couple of kilometres if he goes with f.x Kejelcha in WR pace. But running nearly 6 min off, and being pumped after 27.27 just doesn’t align with the capability and training Jakob has claimed. So I think it’s exciting how he will explain all this -was he extremely off that particularly day..? Or will we see some changes or new found humility in Jakob’s thinking also about the distance events..?
For sure you don't KNOW what he thought.
Do you THINK he thought to be better at 3000m than 1500m? Better at 5000m than 3000m? Better at 10000m than 5000m? Better in the HM than 10000m?
Wouldn't this mean he thought to be something like an 12:30, 25:50, 56:45 guy?
The 5000m was improved by 2 seconds and the 10000m by 6 seconds, over the last 20 years. In the 10000m, what runner do you believe that can beat Bekele’s 10000m time by almost 30 seconds?
People have had the same nonsensical thinking anytime during running history. They discussed the impossibility of a sub 4 mile. Some thought Zatopek was the limit.
When a far from perfect athlete in far from perfect conditions in a far from perfect race can run 12:35.36, just the idea that sub 12:30 might be impossible is laughable.
30 seconds faster than Bekele? A better athlete in better conditions in a better paced race.
But you completely misunderstood the point you were replying to.
You remind me strongly on Dumb, who in all his comments in the last hour showed he didn't even understood the point he replied to.
For example about the "tactical" race.
A better athlete than Bekele? Good luck with that.
I can read and the poster listed those times. Given you defending them makes you the Dumb one.
People have had the same nonsensical thinking anytime during running history. They discussed the impossibility of a sub 4 mile. Some thought Zatopek was the limit.
When a far from perfect athlete in far from perfect conditions in a far from perfect race can run 12:35.36, just the idea that sub 12:30 might be impossible is laughable.
30 seconds faster than Bekele? A better athlete in better conditions in a better paced race.
But you completely misunderstood the point you were replying to.
You remind me strongly on Dumb, who in all his comments in the last hour showed he didn't even understood the point he replied to.
For example about the "tactical" race.
A better athlete than Bekele? Good luck with that.
I can read and the poster listed those times. Given you defending them makes you the Dumb one.
Reading and understanding are different things. Go back, read again, try to get the discussed point.
Bekele is the limit of human running ability for you?