I don't think that's normal at all. Usually people do 3 miles or 20 minutes warm up before a typical workout or race of this distance. Six miles is quite a bit more than normal. The pace may also be slightly quicker than normal, but not outrageous. A lot of people at that level would be more like 6:45-7:10 pace for their easy warmup.
if you followed him on strava, listened to his interview on LR, listened to Gibby's interview on LR, or listened to any GB interview ever, then you'd already know he does all his runs at 6:00 pace, so its actually slower than normal
Ok, this thread made me go back and listen to the interview he did on LR and I remember thinking it was unique that he ran his mileage that fast. But then I started thinking about it and did some math and I came up with this being the equivalent of a 20 minute 5k runner doing their mileage at like 9:20 pace! And that made it sound ridiculously slow. Maybe my math is off but I just did a ratio of his 400 splits for simplicity and came up with 5k/easy as 62/90 and then compared it to a 20 minute runner at 96/x. Cross product gave me x = ~139 or 9:19 per mile. Am I crazy or is that not fast at all relative to his PR? I know elites tend to really take their easy days slow but it surprised me that there was some talk about his pace when it isn't even that fast relative to his races.
if you followed him on strava, listened to his interview on LR, listened to Gibby's interview on LR, or listened to any GB interview ever, then you'd already know he does all his runs at 6:00 pace, so its actually slower than normal
Ok, this thread made me go back and listen to the interview he did on LR and I remember thinking it was unique that he ran his mileage that fast. But then I started thinking about it and did some math and I came up with this being the equivalent of a 20 minute 5k runner doing their mileage at like 9:20 pace! And that made it sound ridiculously slow. Maybe my math is off but I just did a ratio of his 400 splits for simplicity and came up with 5k/easy as 62/90 and then compared it to a 20 minute runner at 96/x. Cross product gave me x = ~139 or 9:19 per mile. Am I crazy or is that not fast at all relative to his PR? I know elites tend to really take their easy days slow but it surprised me that there was some talk about his pace when it isn't even that fast relative to his races.
yep, jack daniels vdot calculator puts a 13:00 runner easy pace at 5:30-6:05 and a 20:00 runner easy pace at 8:16-9:06
On another note, what are the odds he medals? Maybe I am still shaken out of my wits from what happened yesterday but maybe it’s possible?
You do realize that 6:17 is a literal jog for him, right? It's easier for him to run at 6:00 than it is for you to run at 10:00. Who makes these threads?
this isnt true even for a "slow' runner. I run 15:45 and know many 14:20 guys that 6:17 is not a joke. maybe 6:30-45 but not 6:17. And 6 miles???
THE GUY IS AN IDIOT. summerizes this generation who care more about SOCIAL MEDIA, than real life. Real life this guy sucks, social media he can say he was the only one who ran that fast before running a slow race lol.
6:17 is not easy for anyone - and 6:00 are not his easy runs! he can run 6:00 for his "easy" days but that is not easy for him. maybe if his 5k time was 12:35 but nobody as slow as him can get away with 6:17 for super easy pace...
Vdot is only accurate for the people in the middle of it - towards the top end and slow end it doesnt make any sense. Guys running 12:30 can maybe run that slow on a good easy day but not if they actually need an easy day. Idiots
Yeah just checked, the run took 40 min but in total there 2 hrs and 31 minutes of elapsed time for what it’s worth
In other words, Graham didn't even come close to running 6 miles at 6:17 pace. We all thought so.
Actually half the people on here were acting like " oh six miles for a warm up is nothing, the guy is a stud. It's normal. " now they realize he actually didn't do it and are saying "of course he didn't do 6 mile warm up, duh!"
yep, jack daniels vdot calculator puts a 13:00 runner easy pace at 5:30-6:05 and a 20:00 runner easy pace at 8:16-9:06
I guess what was more surprising to me was that I remember it being kind of noteworthy when Blanks won NCAAs and there were some threads on it. Even in the podcast with Gibby that was a big point of conversation. Rojo mentioned Weldon's article about "Why I sucked in college" and how he used to do easy days at 6:30 pace and said he didn't recover enough. Obviously there's a difference between an NCAA cross champ doing 6 minute pace and a 30 minute 10k guy doing it but I found the discussion really interesting. Gibby was focused on maintaining efficient mechanics and trusting that the extra stress of 6 minutes vs 7 minutes wasn't going to be a big deal provided his guys are eating/sleeping enough to fill that piece of recovery.
Obviously I don't expect hobbyjoggers like the guys I know/run with to be as dialed into that stuff as elites doing huge volume and big workouts/races but it was still funny to me going back and seeing all this discussion with the understanding that this was the equivalent of being that slow. Like how many of us know guys who just do every run at half marathon to marathon pace without batting an eye and every Strava post is 5-8 miles of this? But because Blanks is an NCAA champ and 6 minute pace seems pretty fast it becomes a thread and a big discussion point with him. The more interesting thing that I may have to go back and revisit is when Justyn Knight said he does a 16 minute 5k for one run of his double almost every day...
I have nothing to add other than none of you have ever been around high end runners. You are the guys playing pick up basketball talking about Lebron shooting 500 shots the morning of a game being too much.
6:17 is easy for a 14:00 5K runner, he’s a sub 13 5K runner. No one uses VDot, 6 miles is nothing when you run 120 miles a week. That is a shakeout it’s 5% of a normal week. Your 3-4 mile run the day before a race when you train 50 miles per week is 8%
Gibby wants to make sure he's toast for the final, trying to make sure he gets hurt again so he doesn't ruin his coaching reputation of ruining great athletes.
You do realize that 6:17 is a literal jog for him, right? It's easier for him to run at 6:00 than it is for you to run at 10:00. Who makes these threads?
6:17 is not easy for anyone - and 6:00 are not his easy runs! he can run 6:00 for his "easy" days but that is not easy for him. maybe if his 5k time was 12:35 but nobody as slow as him can get away with 6:17 for super easy pace...
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Epic ignorance. For Blanks 5:45 would be easy pace.