Look at the NCAA lists. Its the shoes- first and foremost- then pace lights, training, nutrition, tech (lactate tests), groups, altitude, etc.
I refuse to believe so many NCAA athletes are doping and there has been a similar jump in times at the college level as at the pro level.
to be young and naïve again.
Those doping in the NCAA are not at the top. Think more middle pack runners. Still hardly common at all
Fuiug wrote:
Those doping in the NCAA are not at the top. Think more middle pack runners. Still hardly common at all
Like the pros they are all taking supplements where some are legal and others illegal
Rampant at the highest level. Widespread in college too. Coaches there either push it or look the other way. Some Elite HS athletes are also taking. It's so widespead that it's silly that the sport pretends that everyone is clean.
It sounds like the OP is talking about the recent improvements. In that case, the statement should rather be that doping hasn't changed substantially (while it may have been high or low before).
"Doping is less common than you think because I refuse to believe it's happening"
ok then
Dopingmybutt wrote:
Look at the NCAA lists. Its the shoes- first and foremost- then pace lights, training, nutrition, tech (lactate tests), groups, altitude, etc.
I refuse to believe so many NCAA athletes are doping and there has been a similar jump in times at the college level as at the pro level.
How common do you think I think it is?
Dopingmybutt wrote:
Look at the NCAA lists. Its the shoes- first and foremost- then pace lights, training, nutrition, tech (lactate tests), groups, altitude, etc.
I refuse to believe so many NCAA athletes are doping and there has been a similar jump in times at the college level as at the pro level.
30-45% of a sample of over 2000 competitors admitted to doping at the 2011 WC.
That is the number that admit doping with anonymity. The reality is some number more than that because there are those who won't admit it and some who think what they are doing is perfectly fine. At the WC level it is probably 75% or more.
I hope at the NCAA level it is a much smaller percentage and HS even smaller, but we can't really know. Everyone is not tested and tests don't catch all the cheaters.
The large performance increase of the past few years is likely mostly due to the shoes. Pros have been doping much longer than since 2020 (track) or 2016 (road). NCAA is probably the same. We can't rule out a new drug, but this performance increase exactly coincides with the release of the shoes.
Dopingmybutt wrote:
Look at the NCAA lists. Its the shoes- first and foremost- then pace lights, training, nutrition, tech (lactate tests), groups, altitude, etc.
I refuse to believe so many NCAA athletes are doping and there has been a similar jump in times at the college level as at the pro level.
people are doping in middle school
Dopingmybutt wrote:
Look at the NCAA lists. Its the shoes- first and foremost- then pace lights, training, nutrition, tech (lactate tests), groups, altitude, etc.
I refuse to believe so many NCAA athletes are doping and there has been a similar jump in times at the college level as at the pro level.
This ignores the unprecedented availability and ease to obtain PEDs these days - even to children. Thank you internet. The number of people in high school who take steroids etc. is crazy. And it's not just the guys, you can go onto chat groups (even Reddit) and read about high school girls on school athletic teams casually talking about using steriods.