i am old enough i ran -- and even smacked a last hurdle and slid painfully on -- a cinder track for a junior high meet. or trained on dirt, dear god. it is not "mechanical doping" to have better equipment. comparing it generally to doping is gross.
you want to complain, find an actual spring in the shoes. that is akin to doping. to me this other complaint, as i said, a fast 100m in turn of century shoes was over 11.
Mechanical doping is, perhaps, the wrong, “provocative” phrase and offensive. But as someone who also ran in inferior shoes on inferior tracks back in the day, and who has really good prep kids who improved starkly with the new spikes, I can legitimately and authentically admit they are a game changer. I don’t know why this is hard for people to accept. I have. Sub-3:45 and sub-7:30 are the new normal. And it’s ok.
Plain old ordinary doping beats mechanical doping anyday.
At least we know that dopers arent taking medals from clean athletes,heehee.Theres no such thing as clean at that level.
I just wonder what cocktail they are on, and how far down the season best list it goes. It is more obvious on the women's side these days.
Without doping a runner like Tsegay would run 14.30 for the 5k. With doping she runs 14-flat. What's she going to choose? No question. And there we have the sport today.
The simple fact; it took Dutch women top track athletes almost 100 years to make an improvement of 5 seconds ! How delusional are we, wanting to believe they've evolved into contemporary super human beings last couple years, due to shoes, nutrition, lights, pacers (even if you count in braided aerodynamic hair do's) you won't get near to a smashing 12 seconds less, run within a couple months.
I hate to break it to you, but Webb's mile record was never that great. It converts to 3:29. The only reason nobody runs that fast is because the mile is an off-event that's rarely run.
Yea this hit me after the Bowerman Mile. The fact that Ingebrigtsen 3:46 last year was the fastest mile in 20 years should tell it all. Every single person who has run sub 3:30 or close to it are capable of running 3:44-46 methinks. It's just that it's rarely run.
I hate to break it to you, but Webb's mile record was never that great. It converts to 3:29. The only reason nobody runs that fast is because the mile is an off-event that's rarely run.
Yea this hit me after the Bowerman Mile. The fact that Ingebrigtsen 3:46 last year was the fastest mile in 20 years should tell it all. Every single person who has run sub 3:30 or close to it are capable of running 3:44-46 methinks. It's just that it's rarely run.
No, it isn't. It is that it has become increasingly difficult for antidoping to catch the dopers. Hence, athletes have moved from microdosing to increased levels of doping, enabling them to close in on the EPO-fuelled records of the 90's. It also brings back memories of E Bloc athletes in the 70's, Flojo and Ben Johnson in the 80's, and the Chinese distance runners of the 90's. Track has become like bodybuilding and cycling.
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Yea this hit me after the Bowerman Mile. The fact that Ingebrigtsen 3:46 last year was the fastest mile in 20 years should tell it all. Every single person who has run sub 3:30 or close to it are capable of running 3:44-46 methinks. It's just that it's rarely run.
No, it isn't. It is that it has become increasingly difficult for antidoping to catch the dopers. Hence, athletes have moved from microdosing to increased levels of doping, enabling them to close in on the EPO-fuelled records of the 90's. It also brings back memories of E Bloc athletes in the 70's, Flojo and Ben Johnson in the 80's, and the Chinese distance runners of the 90's. Track has become like bodybuilding and cycling.
As you said in another thread, these are "mere assertions" -- empty words which you fail to substantiate. None of your memories include the men in the 1500m/mile.
I hate to break it to you, but Webb's mile record was never that great. It converts to 3:29. The only reason nobody runs that fast is because the mile is an off-event that's rarely run.
Yea this hit me after the Bowerman Mile. The fact that Ingebrigtsen 3:46 last year was the fastest mile in 20 years should tell it all. Every single person who has run sub 3:30 or close to it are capable of running 3:44-46 methinks. It's just that it's rarely run.
If we look at Webb's mile, 3:46.91, this equates to 3:30.21 (Daniel's VDOT) to 3:29.40 (Purdy).
According to Nick Willis, a believer in the superspikes, the new shoes are worth about 2 seconds for 1200m, or about 2.5-2.7 seconds for the metric/imperial miles. What we are seeing from Ingebrigtsen compares to the 3:29s and 3:30s performed in older generation shoes that we saw from Webb and others, as far back as the 1980s.
No, it isn't. It is that it has become increasingly difficult for antidoping to catch the dopers. Hence, athletes have moved from microdosing to increased levels of doping, enabling them to close in on the EPO-fuelled records of the 90's. It also brings back memories of E Bloc athletes in the 70's, Flojo and Ben Johnson in the 80's, and the Chinese distance runners of the 90's. Track has become like bodybuilding and cycling.
As you said in another thread, these are "mere assertions" -- empty words which you fail to substantiate. None of your memories include the men in the 1500m/mile.
I have substantiated my views in countless other doping threads but I can count on you to have absorbed none of it. There is only room for doping-denial inside your cranium. That is shown by you thinking 1500/milers somehow fall outside the sphere of doping practised in every other athletic activity. WADA doesn't see it that way, as it has placed track in the same category of risk of doping as weightlifting, bodybuilding and cycling - none of which would exist now without doping. Jakob Ingebrigtsen is really no different from Mr Olympia - different drugs and appearance but same practice.
I hate to break it to you, but Webb's mile record was never that great. It converts to 3:29. The only reason nobody runs that fast is because the mile is an off-event that's rarely run.
Yea this hit me after the Bowerman Mile. The fact that Ingebrigtsen 3:46 last year was the fastest mile in 20 years should tell it all. Every single person who has run sub 3:30 or close to it are capable of running 3:44-46 methinks. It's just that it's rarely run.
If we look at Webb's mile, 3:46.91, this equates to 3:30.21 (Daniel's VDOT) to 3:29.40 (Purdy).
According to Nick Willis, a believer in the superspikes, the new shoes are worth about 2 seconds for 1200m, or about 2.5-2.7 seconds for the metric/imperial miles. What we are seeing from Ingebrigtsen compares to the 3:29s and 3:30s performed in older generation shoes that we saw from Webb and others, as far back as the 1980s.
If Willis is correct that means the 1500 record is actually worth 3:23x in the new spikes - and the mile record sub-3:40. (Of course Willis doesn't say that). That means these records were doped beyond our comprehension (not to mention Komen's records and those who ran close like Ngeny, Lagat and Kiprop). Only a lunatic would believe 3:23x and 3:40 respectively could be clean. But that doesn't really square with your oft-stated view that those records weren't doped and also that athletes only "believe" doping enhances performance and that at best it only offers a "placebo" effect. But what a placebo! Clearly, it's what Jakob needs because the magic shoes alone aren't doing it. You are a joke.
If we look at Webb's mile, 3:46.91, this equates to 3:30.21 (Daniel's VDOT) to 3:29.40 (Purdy).
According to Nick Willis, a believer in the superspikes, the new shoes are worth about 2 seconds for 1200m, or about 2.5-2.7 seconds for the metric/imperial miles. What we are seeing from Ingebrigtsen compares to the 3:29s and 3:30s performed in older generation shoes that we saw from Webb and others, as far back as the 1980s.
If Willis is correct that means the 1500 record is actually worth 3:23x in the new spikes - and the mile record sub-3:40. (Of course Willis doesn't say that). That means these records were doped beyond our comprehension (not to mention Komen's records and those who ran close like Ngeny, Lagat and Kiprop). Only a lunatic would believe 3:23x and 3:40 respectively could be clean. But that doesn't really square with your oft-stated view that those records weren't doped and also that athletes only "believe" doping enhances performance and that at best it only offers a "placebo" effect. But what a placebo! Clearly, it's what Jakob needs because the magic shoes alone aren't doing it. You are a joke.
If Willis is correct that means the 1500 record is actually worth 3:23x in the new spikes - and the mile record sub-3:40. (Of course Willis doesn't say that). That means these records were doped beyond our comprehension (not to mention Komen's records and those who ran close like Ngeny, Lagat and Kiprop). Only a lunatic would believe 3:23x and 3:40 respectively could be clean. But that doesn't really square with your oft-stated view that those records weren't doped and also that athletes only "believe" doping enhances performance and that at best it only offers a "placebo" effect. But what a placebo! Clearly, it's what Jakob needs because the magic shoes alone aren't doing it. You are a joke.
It is rarely run. Much more 1500s than Miles - a fact.
So are the 2k, 3k and the 2 miles run less often. It didn't stop athletes from setting records there that have lasted decades.
Changing the subject - as always. He is always doing this before admitting he was wrong.
2000m and 2 Miles are run extremely seldom, the 3000m not. But more often than the Mile and for sure not as often as the 1500m and the 5000m.
El Guerrouj's 2000m WR was strong - but not as strong as his other outdoor records. Komen's 2 Miles WB was good, but way behind his 3000m mark. It lasted so long because it almost never was contested (and for sure because Komen had his strength at 3000m/2 Miles). And Gebrselassie, Bekele, El Guerrouj not. Even the 3000m mark currently is not as strong as the 1500m and the 5000m.
Ingebrigtsen next year might better the Mile WR, the 1500m is out of his reach.