Well, we just saw that Hassan can run 3:58 on very tired legs, so I don't think I would count her out of the medals.
Of course, I don't think anyone in the world can touch Faith Kipyegon, but that still leaves two medals up for grabs. Laura Muir should be able to get one... does that mean Hassan could get Bronze or Silver, I think so.
Who do you think is better than SH besides FK and LM?
Can S Hassan medal at this summer's W.C? Of course she can just not at 1500m.
Dunno about Faith but Sifan was most definitely on that WADA biological passport watchlist just before Salazar snagged her for NOP
So assuming she is tested so often now she has to be clean now, the question remains if she got to keep some of the benefits done during her more formative years?
WADA needs to routinely release data on that watchlist even if anonymized and delayed by months/years to put a little more fear into some people.
Why haven't anti doping authorities caught her yet?
This has to be some real blatant out in the open doping. I can't imagine a scenario where she isn't lighting up a drug test.
For those of you who somehow believe she is clean or for those of you who want to "give the benefit of the doubt" answer me this.
Sifan was a great athlete rising up sure, but she wasn't a super human like this in her youth days. What changed suddenly? If she had this kind of ability to recover shouldn't we have seen it throughout her career and not starting in 2019?
Why is Sifan the only athlete capable of this range in this short amount of time? From a world class marathon win to a world class 1500 win? How come we're not seeing that out of anyone else, ever in history? Even Faith, Gidey, Tirunesh, Genzebe, even popped athletes who were once seen as greats, how come we didn't see it out of them?
"But lykkkeee women haven't been competing for that longggg" Spare me. Women have had many decades of athletic excellence, and the women competing today have enjoyed years of athletic opportunity. Funny then, where is the male Sifan?
That she hasn't been caught is an absolute tragedy for the sport. She sets a standard that is impossible for any clean athlete to meet. She has made hard working clean athletes look like JV novices all because she juices herself to the brim and gets away with it.
So no, no one was talking about Sifan's magical weekend. What else is there to say other than this?
Why haven't anti doping authorities caught her yet?
This has to be some real blatant out in the open doping. I can't imagine a scenario where she isn't lighting up a drug test.
For those of you who somehow believe she is clean or for those of you who want to "give the benefit of the doubt" answer me this.
Sifan was a great athlete rising up sure, but she wasn't a super human like this in her youth days. What changed suddenly? If she had this kind of ability to recover shouldn't we have seen it throughout her career and not starting in 2019?
Why is Sifan the only athlete capable of this range in this short amount of time? From a world class marathon win to a world class 1500 win? How come we're not seeing that out of anyone else, ever in history? Even Faith, Gidey, Tirunesh, Genzebe, even popped athletes who were once seen as greats, how come we didn't see it out of them?
"But lykkkeee women haven't been competing for that longggg" Spare me. Women have had many decades of athletic excellence, and the women competing today have enjoyed years of athletic opportunity. Funny then, where is the male Sifan?
That she hasn't been caught is an absolute tragedy for the sport. She sets a standard that is impossible for any clean athlete to meet. She has made hard working clean athletes look like JV novices all because she juices herself to the brim and gets away with it.
So no, no one was talking about Sifan's magical weekend. What else is there to say other than this?
I do actually agree that her performances are suspicious as hell but your conclusions above don't make much sense.
Your argument that noone else has excelled over these range of distances with or without drugs actually implies that she is exceptional, not the drugs. By asking 'where is the male Sifan?', again, this seems to suggest that you think every other athlete on earth is clean and that she has a unique access to dominance through being the only one who is juiced.
To be clear, if I had to roll the dice for a million dollars, I'm saying she's probably used PEDs. But unless she's on some sort of mega-roids that noone else has access to, clearly she's an exceptional generational talent either way.
Why haven't anti doping authorities caught her yet?
This has to be some real blatant out in the open doping. I can't imagine a scenario where she isn't lighting up a drug test.
For those of you who somehow believe she is clean or for those of you who want to "give the benefit of the doubt" answer me this.
Sifan was a great athlete rising up sure, but she wasn't a super human like this in her youth days. What changed suddenly? If she had this kind of ability to recover shouldn't we have seen it throughout her career and not starting in 2019?
Why is Sifan the only athlete capable of this range in this short amount of time? From a world class marathon win to a world class 1500 win? How come we're not seeing that out of anyone else, ever in history? Even Faith, Gidey, Tirunesh, Genzebe, even popped athletes who were once seen as greats, how come we didn't see it out of them?
"But lykkkeee women haven't been competing for that longggg" Spare me. Women have had many decades of athletic excellence, and the women competing today have enjoyed years of athletic opportunity. Funny then, where is the male Sifan?
That she hasn't been caught is an absolute tragedy for the sport. She sets a standard that is impossible for any clean athlete to meet. She has made hard working clean athletes look like JV novices all because she juices herself to the brim and gets away with it.
So no, no one was talking about Sifan's magical weekend. What else is there to say other than this?
I do actually agree that her performances are suspicious as hell but your conclusions above don't make much sense.
Your argument that noone else has excelled over these range of distances with or without drugs actually implies that she is exceptional, not the drugs. By asking 'where is the male Sifan?', again, this seems to suggest that you think every other athlete on earth is clean and that she has a unique access to dominance through being the only one who is juiced.
To be clear, if I had to roll the dice for a million dollars, I'm saying she's probably used PEDs. But unless she's on some sort of mega-roids that noone else has access to, clearly she's an exceptional generational talent either way.
I'm assuming you feel the same way about Lance Armstrong?
To me that's not how this works. If you cheat, that's what you are, a cheater. I don't care what "you could have been" because you threw that possibility away when you cheated.
Why haven't anti doping authorities caught her yet?
This has to be some real blatant out in the open doping. I can't imagine a scenario where she isn't lighting up a drug test.
What we have here is a failure of imagination.
Remember the old adage: Drugs tests are IQ tests; it's so easy to beat the tests that only stupid or careless athletes get caught.
Sadly, there are no careful, randomized controlled double-blinded trials showing that doping routines that work can evade drugs tests. The reasons are obvious. First, the AIU doesn't want to give dopers a blueprint for beating the system, and second, no world class athlete wants to take a year off to participate in a trial "for the good of the sport."
In the meantime, there's plenty of "unscientific" evidence suggesting dopers are way ahead of the testers. This evidence ranges from rumors to exposes like the one on French TV a few years back claiming to show that "microdosing beats the biological passport." And every now and then, a retired or busted athlete will come clean.
PS All of this assumes the various governing bodies want cheaters to get caught. Assume they don't and it's even easier to explain how come there are so few busts.
A hard marathon and a world lead 10K 6 weeks later seems reasonable. Dropping a world class 1500 the next day after that 10K? My eyebrows go up, brain goes HUH!?!. No failed test, so it is not fair to say she is doping for sure.
Does the IAAF want people to be caught? Maybe a few, but not every top athlete. That would be devastating to the sport.
Maybe she is a generational talent with amazing range... 1500 to marathon concurrently that has no precedent by a male or female athlete ever before.
Maybe she is a generational talent with amazing range... 1500 to marathon concurrently that has no precedent by a male or female athlete ever before.
Mo Farah comes to mind but doesn't quite come close to Hassan's achievements (not sure if he could have improved on either the 1500 or the marathon with more tries). I thought about Jakob possibly but even for him I think the half marathon would be the upper limit to his range currently, we'll see over this following decade..
shes on epo,cutting steroids and possibly clenbuterol,which would explain why shes super thin yet muscled,with her stomach looking like a wash board.why hasnt she been caught?shes probably protected.most bigger name athletes and sportspeople are.
shes on epo,cutting steroids and possibly clenbuterol,which would explain why shes super thin yet muscled,with her stomach looking like a wash board.why hasnt she been caught?shes probably protected.most bigger name athletes and sportspeople are.
What happened to her last year? Bad batch?
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Could conceivably do the 1500/5000/10000/marathon at the Olympics. Seems like a nice person. Works for Nike. Involved with Salazar in the past. Couldn't possibly be doping.
in the olympics she looked like she glowed.she looks like she was bred in a laboratory.obviously using similar drug concotions to the chinese in the early 90s,and judging by her muscles,a stronger dose.wang junxia also had great range.
Agreed, Sifan is fabulous. Seriously tough athlete.
Gidey needed to be wrapped in cotton wool for her peak (covid era) and was sadly pushed too far by NN. She won’t be the same again. Sifan, by comparison, will be around an awful lot longer and at gold medal level.
Sifan with the 10k, 15 double at the FBK games just 6 weeks after her incredible win in London. Sure the competition wasn't Diamond League quality, but the two wins in consecutive days is again evidence of her dominance. Her 29:37 10k is 7th best all time, with her also holding the #2 and #6 times.
Sifan and Faith are sharing GOAT status after this weekend.... no reason to have to pick one!
It's like Man City winning everything. Wash, rinse, repeat. Gets boring.