Her 1500m spot would have taken away a spot from whoever was next in line on the list to qualify for regionals. It was not her schools spot.
Oh boohoo…. So you’re telling me that the number 83rd ranked girl in the west didn’t get to run the 1500 at regionals (She did compete in the 800).
This is one of the worst takes of all time. Idk how you could argue that it is right/fair for her to run a 1500 that slow and take the spot of somebody that would actually try.
If you declare in an event and intentionally run slow, you have 0 class.
Oh boohoo…. So you’re telling me that the number 83rd ranked girl in the west didn’t get to run the 1500 at regionals (She did compete in the 800).
This is one of the worst takes of all time. Idk how you could argue that it is right/fair for her to run a 1500 that slow and take the spot of somebody that would actually try.
If you declare in an event and intentionally run slow, you have 0 class.
Maybe she WAS planning on racing the 1500 during the declaration/scratch period and then she or her coach changed their mind.
This is one of the worst takes of all time. Idk how you could argue that it is right/fair for her to run a 1500 that slow and take the spot of somebody that would actually try.
If you declare in an event and intentionally run slow, you have 0 class.
Maybe she WAS planning on racing the 1500 during the declaration/scratch period and then she or her coach changed their mind.
too late once you declare and are accepted then you are committed.
After taking dead last in the 1500- Kemboi WINS the 10k. Is there an honest effort rules violation here?? Lilly Lavier from OK state was 49th declared and SHOULD have been in!!!
However, as I have learned, you are not allowed to do that, and the penalty is a general DQ. You cannot simply decide not to participate after a declaration. What was done here was the equivalent of that.
It certainly begs the question why she was declared for all three events. The thing is she could have run 4:30 and no one would have cared. At least that would have been a somewhat honest effort. Here she basically walked it.
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Allegedly she was feeling ill for the 1500m and had stomach issues.
That’s what her staff told the meet. Now, I am sure many of us are thinking that’s BS. How did it clear up so fast to blast a 10k 3 hours later?
But again, what if it was true? The honest effort rule has to work in the confines of that notion. Who is to say she really didn’t feel that way? That is the issue with the rule. It’s wide open to subjectivity.
Do you care if the 47, 46,.. 34th runner miss out? What happens when every program does this and half the field isn't racing the event but are just there to reduce the number of people their teammates have to beat?
Allegedly she was feeling ill for the 1500m and had stomach issues.
That’s what her staff told the meet. Now, I am sure many of us are thinking that’s BS. How did it clear up so fast to blast a 10k 3 hours later?
But again, what if it was true? The honest effort rule has to work in the confines of that notion. Who is to say she really didn’t feel that way? That is the issue with the rule. It’s wide open to subjectivity.
However, as I have learned, you are not allowed to do that, and the penalty is a general DQ. You cannot simply decide not to participate after a declaration. What was done here was the equivalent of that.
It certainly begs the question why she was declared for all three events. The thing is she could have run 4:30 and no one would have cared. At least that would have been a somewhat honest effort. Here she basically walked it.
once again the tuohy fanboys are threatend by Kemboi so they are trying to get her disqualified. They know she has the potential to beat their favorite athlete so they ATTACK relentlessly on an anonymous message board.
Competitively, we should all want Evelyn Kemboi in the 10k. Her coach is a schmuck who should have only entered her in events she could be competitive in. As a coach, the rules force you to make the tough choices by a certain deadline. I say suspend the Utah Valley head coach for the rest of the meet and the NCAA championship meet. Bar him from being on the property. Then make him write apology letters to each of the athletes impacted by his inability to follow the rules. That's probably the appropriate penalty.
I say suspend the NCAA schedule makers who too often put competitive events back to back. This punishes athletes who could be competitive in two or more events but are blocked out by some of the ridiculous scheduling of meet events too close together.
Can someone please give a quick run-down of what's at issue here, because several people have alluded to various components, but I need someone to educate those of us that are ignorant.
+1. At pac 12s, there was a school who had several guys in the 5k just to set a fast pace for their top guy then drop out. Why is that not frowned upon?
However, as I have learned, you are not allowed to do that, and the penalty is a general DQ. You cannot simply decide not to participate after a declaration. What was done here was the equivalent of that.
It certainly begs the question why she was declared for all three events. The thing is she could have run 4:30 and no one would have cared. At least that would have been a somewhat honest effort. Here she basically walked it.
once again the tuohy fanboys are threatend by Kemboi so they are trying to get her disqualified. They know she has the potential to beat their favorite athlete so they ATTACK relentlessly on an anonymous message board.
It's amazing you brought this back to Katelyn Tuohy, considering she won't be running the 10K at the NCAA Finals. This is like Walter Sobczak - not everything is about Vietnam, man (or Katelyn Tuohy)