Your a tad optimistic here w/ Tuohy's speed. 400 v Whitaker is more like 59 v 52. You are absolutely right though that 52 means nothing, if you are too tired at the end of a race to use it. Still, all the rare Touhy losses are to fast kickers, who managed to hang around til the last 200, Sammy Watson, Krissy Gear, Whitni Morgan, Gabby Wilkinson, Angel Piccarillo and I can't think of even 1 race Touhy has won w/ a final 100-200m kick. (Valby xc was more a 1k close than a sprint finish)
I'd also love to see Touhy practice tactical racing and come flying down the final straight like Joe Waskom, but I don't think the NCAA meet is where they will test this out.
Roe just ran away from her in the 3000 last year. Pretty much the opposite of a fast kicker.
Well, you can’t really compare THAT. It was quite awhile ago, Tuohy learned from those runner-up finishes at NCAA Indoor Nationals, and has improved A LOT since then.
Roe just ran away from her in the 3000 last year. Pretty much the opposite of a fast kicker.
you are right. other than the last 3, 2, and 1 laps Roe was faster than Tuohy at the end of that 3000.
Roe won by getting a gap on her with 4 laps to go when Tuohy was boxed in and was almost 2 seconds ahead with 3 laps to go, and won by less than 0.3 seconds.
Roe just ran away from her in the 3000 last year. Pretty much the opposite of a fast kicker.
Well, you can’t really compare THAT. It was quite awhile ago, Tuohy learned from those runner-up finishes at NCAA Indoor Nationals, and has improved A LOT since then.
If she lets someone get off the front trying to be too tactical there is no guarantee she will kick them down. History sometimes repeats itself.
Roe just ran away from her in the 3000 last year. Pretty much the opposite of a fast kicker.
you are right. other than the last 3, 2, and 1 laps Roe was faster than Tuohy at the end of that 3000.
Roe won by getting a gap on her with 4 laps to go when Tuohy was boxed in and was almost 2 seconds ahead with 3 laps to go, and won by less than 0.3 seconds.
But I am pretty sure you don't like facts.
Oh, I know. They don’t give awards for fastest last lap.
you are right. other than the last 3, 2, and 1 laps Roe was faster than Tuohy at the end of that 3000.
Roe won by getting a gap on her with 4 laps to go when Tuohy was boxed in and was almost 2 seconds ahead with 3 laps to go, and won by less than 0.3 seconds.
But I am pretty sure you don't like facts.
Oh, I know. They don’t give awards for fastest last lap.
noone said they did! You said Roe ran away from her which was not true the last few laps
Quite frankly I’m not sure why she’s putting it all on the line. She knows fatigue has been an issue. She’s either using the opportunity to test her strength or going after the Bowerman in a way that it cannot be denied if she pulls it off. I would give it 50:50 optimistically. She can control her effort in the 15 but her body’s limitations will dictate the outcome of a 5 on short rest. Hope hubris hasn’t set in. This is different from getting a rest with overnight sleep in between.
We saw what she could do for cross country. We saw what she could do during indoor, including the championships at altitude having little effect on her. Granted, they weren't record paces, but compared to the other competitors, she looked fresh when they were over. When she broke the outdoor record at 5000 she was having finals and she said she had a pretty bad week. When she won the 10,000, you could see she wasn't going for the record, but still cruised in with a very respectable time. I don't think anyone but her coach and teammates know what level she's at now. That's what we're about to see.
She's taking on a big challenge, for sure, but I give her well above a 50:50 chance. I personally think she'll do it. She won doubles and triples in high school. The competition is tougher in college, but she's also stronger and faster.
I think going for the double is brave, and I admire her for going for it. I think she sets a great example for the young women who admire her to not be afraid to go big. It would be so easy to play it safe and go for the sure win in either/or, which for her would be pretty much guaranteed.
The 5000 final is going to be tough, with her fiercest competition being fresh while she will be coming off a hard 1500. Going for both takes guts. For those on this board who don't understand her following - this is why! I will admire her even if she does not win both, just for the attempt.
I do not think she and her coaches would be moving forward with this plan if there was not a good reason. Others on here have pointed out that there are other runners entered in this double, but let's be honest - no one is looking at any of those other runners thinking that they mean to win both. For Touhy, it is assumed she is going for the double. She took on an enormous challenge by doing this, and the expectation here has to bring a lot of pressure. For the first time in a while I am unsure if she will win, but man I sure hope she does. Either way, I can't wait to watch it go down. She is making women's college running so exciting!
Quite frankly I’m not sure why she’s putting it all on the line. She knows fatigue has been an issue. She’s either using the opportunity to test her strength or going after the Bowerman in a way that it cannot be denied if she pulls it off. I would give it 50:50 optimistically. She can control her effort in the 15 but her body’s limitations will dictate the outcome of a 5 on short rest. Hope hubris hasn’t set in. This is different from getting a rest with overnight sleep in between.
We saw what she could do for cross country. We saw what she could do during indoor, including the championships at altitude having little effect on her. Granted, they weren't record paces, but compared to the other competitors, she looked fresh when they were over. When she broke the outdoor record at 5000 she was having finals and she said she had a pretty bad week. When she won the 10,000, you could see she wasn't going for the record, but still cruised in with a very respectable time. I don't think anyone but her coach and teammates know what level she's at now. That's what we're about to see.
She's taking on a big challenge, for sure, but I give her well above a 50:50 chance. I personally think she'll do it. She won doubles and triples in high school. The competition is tougher in college, but she's also stronger and faster.
We saw what she could do for cross country. We saw what she could do during indoor, including the championships at altitude having little effect on her. Granted, they weren't record paces, but compared to the other competitors, she looked fresh when they were over. When she broke the outdoor record at 5000 she was having finals and she said she had a pretty bad week. When she won the 10,000, you could see she wasn't going for the record, but still cruised in with a very respectable time. I don't think anyone but her coach and teammates know what level she's at now. That's what we're about to see.
She's taking on a big challenge, for sure, but I give her well above a 50:50 chance. I personally think she'll do it. She won doubles and triples in high school. The competition is tougher in college, but she's also stronger and faster.
I think going for the double is brave, and I admire her for going for it. I think she sets a great example for the young women who admire her to not be afraid to go big. It would be so easy to play it safe and go for the sure win in either/or, which for her would be pretty much guaranteed.
The 5000 final is going to be tough, with her fiercest competition being fresh while she will be coming off a hard 1500. Going for both takes guts. For those on this board who don't understand her following - this is why! I will admire her even if she does not win both, just for the attempt.
I do not think she and her coaches would be moving forward with this plan if there was not a good reason. Others on here have pointed out that there are other runners entered in this double, but let's be honest - no one is looking at any of those other runners thinking that they mean to win both. For Touhy, it is assumed she is going for the double. She took on an enormous challenge by doing this, and the expectation here has to bring a lot of pressure. For the first time in a while I am unsure if she will win, but man I sure hope she does. Either way, I can't wait to watch it go down. She is making women's college running so exciting!
I guess that’s the point. She has taken on this challenge partly to acknowledge her efforts are creating an excitement in the sport that brings along a lot of new talent that will inspire a better future for female American distance running and can well mean a renaissance in international competition. It’s tiresome to see eastern Africans dominate and American/European runners have no realistic chances.
I completely agree with this. Henes has said in interviews that the post season is the real prize. This is just my thoughts, but I have wondered if the Wake Forest effort and even the 5K in CA were done after a series of hard workouts and the real goal/intent was to be pushed to the brink while in recovery. As we have all noted, the minimal rest between the 1500 and 5K is the hitch. If this double has been a goal, everything up to this point would be about getting her ready for that quick turnaround. I don't think she was likely fresh at all for either of those races. I think 4:08 1500 and 15:03 5K is what she can run in recovery. If she tapers for NCAA finals, this could be good.
Katelyn Touhy is well aware of what she is capable of. If she wants to do this and her coaches agreed, then she will be ready.
The scouting reported said her ‘fiercest competitor’, though fresh, is running on only one good leg.
I was speculating about possible training tactics to prep for a very challenging turnaround time. It is possible that she used regular season meets to boost training that she can't get otherwise. That is a plausible idea. Attempting the 1500/5K double is a crazy challenge, so it only follows that the training for this challenge will be crazy as well. If that is overdramatizing to you, then I don't know what to tell you.