The nb pacer has major durability issues. Check reviews before you buy this shoe. It went on sale very quickly after release and I don't know anyone who has been happy with it.
Don’t have tons of miles on them yet, maybe 100k, but loving the pacer.
It still has that slipper feeling of a nice pair of flats at an regular pace. Feels like a spike for the road when you really get up on the toes and kick.
I don’t expect it will last even 50% as long as the 1400s
Cool, cool. I have friends who didn't get even 5 uses out of them.
Anyways, btw guys skechers has a flat on the market too, but its terrible. Its called the go run speed elite and because of the cheap material the upper is made out of, the eyelets for the shoe rip when you go to tie the shoe. If you have big feet or just tie your shoes super loose, it might work for you. If you try to get this shoe to normal tightness though, the eyelet things for the laces will rip.
I had the adios 7 and it was the worst shoe I bought last year. The foam had no semblance of give and the shoe was super stiff… like a pair of clogs. Nothing like previous adios modes. The Takumi Sen 5 felt cushy by comparison.
Mine felt a lot better after about 50 miles or so. Don't know if the foam needed break-in or what, but I like them a lot more now. Still prefer the old Adios Boost models though. The new ones feel more like a daily trainer.
I had the adios 7 and it was the worst shoe I bought last year. The foam had no semblance of give and the shoe was super stiff… like a pair of clogs. Nothing like previous adios modes. The Takumi Sen 5 felt cushy by comparison.
Mine felt a lot better after about 50 miles or so. Don't know if the foam needed break-in or what, but I like them a lot more now. Still prefer the old Adios Boost models though. The new ones feel more like a daily trainer.
I also wore mine for roughly 50 miles but there was virtually no appreciable change, unfortunately. While obviously a completely different shoe, it’s so much easier living with the Streakfly.
Being an old runner from the 70s, I have worn most of the more notable flats through the decades - from waffle racers to T3s, and elites to piranhas - we’re all different footstrikes, but gotta say, that topo cyclone 2 is very reminiscent of older trainers, which would be way more minimal than today’s race flats. (6.7 oz in my 9, and a spike-like fit.) The peba midsole is not in the least sloppy for me, but I am pretty much a lightweight.
Being an old runner from the 70s, I have worn most of the more notable flats through the decades - from waffle racers to T3s, and elites to piranhas - we’re all different footstrikes, but gotta say, that topo cyclone 2 is very reminiscent of older trainers, which would be way more minimal than today’s race flats. (6.7 oz in my 9, and a spike-like fit.) The peba midsole is not in the least sloppy for me, but I am pretty much a lightweight.
Interesting. I think st-4 is their more minimal shoe
Years after Pebax/Zoom/whatever foam came out, and the shoe companies still don't want to put a THIN, CUSHY piece of foam in a racing shoe. What, Reebok did it, and that was it? A bit perplexing and annoying.
And I'm guessing that some will say, "That's because they want to sell more $250 super shoes."
But does that theory really hold water? All of these companies did and/or do sell more niche shoes that relatively few people buy. If having niche shoes detracts from purchases of other shoes, why would any of them ever have done it?
More specifically, if Nike came out with a Streak-like (i.e., quite thin) shoe with Zoom foam (just like that old Reebok), would their super shoes sales really go down meaningfully? I wouldn't think so.
Years after Pebax/Zoom/whatever foam came out, and the shoe companies still don't want to put a THIN, CUSHY piece of foam in a racing shoe. What, Reebok did it, and that was it? A bit perplexing and annoying.
And I'm guessing that some will say, "That's because they want to sell more $250 super shoes."
But does that theory really hold water? All of these companies did and/or do sell more niche shoes that relatively few people buy. If having niche shoes detracts from purchases of other shoes, why would any of them ever have done it?
More specifically, if Nike came out with a Streak-like (i.e., quite thin) shoe with Zoom foam (just like that old Reebok), would their super shoes sales really go down meaningfully? I wouldn't think so.
Best idea of the week: Nike Oregon Waffle II. EXACT proportions as the original (upper, sole, etc.), modern upper materials, same color scheme, and ZOOM FOAM.
I'd EASILY pay a super shoe price for that. You know, because I'm practically a Boomer.
Years after Pebax/Zoom/whatever foam came out, and the shoe companies still don't want to put a THIN, CUSHY piece of foam in a racing shoe. What, Reebok did it, and that was it? A bit perplexing and annoying.
And I'm guessing that some will say, "That's because they want to sell more $250 super shoes."
But does that theory really hold water? All of these companies did and/or do sell more niche shoes that relatively few people buy. If having niche shoes detracts from purchases of other shoes, why would any of them ever have done it?
More specifically, if Nike came out with a Streak-like (i.e., quite thin) shoe with Zoom foam (just like that old Reebok), would their super shoes sales really go down meaningfully? I wouldn't think so.
Best idea of the week: Nike Oregon Waffle II. EXACT proportions as the original (upper, sole, etc.), modern upper materials, same color scheme, and ZOOM FOAM.
I'd EASILY pay a super shoe price for that. You know, because I'm practically a Boomer.
.....then us Boomers/Near-Boomers could stop jacking off over photos of old, decrepit pairs of original Oregon Waffles.
I order the Tarther from their website directly and use them for speed work. The Takumi Sen is my main racer. My arches just don’t do well with high stack shoes.
Which Tarthers - RP3 or Japan? Are they similar in ride etc to the old Tarthers from around the 2010 or so timeframe? I loved those shoes.
Years after Pebax/Zoom/whatever foam came out, and the shoe companies still don't want to put a THIN, CUSHY piece of foam in a racing shoe. What, Reebok did it, and that was it? A bit perplexing and annoying.
And I'm guessing that some will say, "That's because they want to sell more $250 super shoes."
But does that theory really hold water? All of these companies did and/or do sell more niche shoes that relatively few people buy. If having niche shoes detracts from purchases of other shoes, why would any of them ever have done it?
More specifically, if Nike came out with a Streak-like (i.e., quite thin) shoe with Zoom foam (just like that old Reebok), would their super shoes sales really go down meaningfully? I wouldn't think so.
Interesting that this topic comes up right when I start thinking about it again.
I used to run in Kinvara's because they were the 'go-to' solid shoe (no gimmicks, good energy return and cushion). Nowadays, I'm absolutely not a fan of shoes without a firm, harder sole in large part because it the cushioning degrades really fast over time in comparison to hard soled shoes. The Kinvara's by modern running shoe standards are pretty minimal, but the foam entirely collapses after a few hundred miles creating an uneven platform that creates hip problems for me.
Because of this, I've been using hard-soled mostly low to the ground shoes for a while. An added benefit is that it's much easier to lift heavy weights without the extra cushion.
I think the running shoes all of you are looking for still exist, but they just aren't marketed as running shoes. I would search around the internet to see what people in other sports are using.
For minimal shoes brands, the WHITIN shoes sold on Amazon are very inexpensive and have lasted me shockingly long. XERO shoes are a little more expensive but still well priced. There are even a few articles about runners putting high miles and fast times in Crocs.
I've seen soccer players running around my track all the time hitting 8x400m in 65-80 seconds in indoor soccer shoe which are much lower than modern running shoes (Adidas Predators, Nike Tiempos, Adidas Sambas, Mizuno Morelias, etc).
Parkour freerunners have been using Onitsuka Tiger Mexico 66 and Ultimate 81 shoes with great success for a while now.
I can personally vouch for Mexico 66's, WHITINs, and Xero shoes. I recall also seeing that HRE vouched for Onitsuka Tiger sneakers, maybe it's worth giving them a shot (I was digging up information since I was in the same predicament of finding new shoes a while back).
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Years after Pebax/Zoom/whatever foam came out, and the shoe companies still don't want to put a THIN, CUSHY piece of foam in a racing shoe. What, Reebok did it, and that was it? A bit perplexing and annoying.
And I'm guessing that some will say, "That's because they want to sell more $250 super shoes."
But does that theory really hold water? All of these companies did and/or do sell more niche shoes that relatively few people buy. If having niche shoes detracts from purchases of other shoes, why would any of them ever have done it?
More specifically, if Nike came out with a Streak-like (i.e., quite thin) shoe with Zoom foam (just like that old Reebok), would their super shoes sales really go down meaningfully? I wouldn't think so.
They may be niche compared to top sellers, but some of these shoes are not that niche anymore. I saw vaporflies on tons of hobby joggers at any given road race, even guys running 20+ for 5k are wearing them.
I order the Tarther from their website directly and use them for speed work. The Takumi Sen is my main racer. My arches just don’t do well with high stack shoes.
Which Tarthers - RP3 or Japan? Are they similar in ride etc to the old Tarthers from around the 2010 or so timeframe? I loved those shoes.
Tarther Japan. I know what you are talking about for the 2010 era when they were white with a hint of red on the logo. It has a good bounce to it but you still have the right amount of feedback from the ground. I might get the RP3 next as its cheaper and appears to have a bit more cushion.
The Hoka Cielo Road coming June might have potential. At 31/28 and 6.8 oz, it certainly isn't ultra low and light, but with peba foam, I will be interested to try it.
A lot of my shoes used to be like this. I miss the Mizuno Phantom, but when I look it up now it's some kind of handball or netball shoe and it has a hole in the sole and looks completely different. They must have re-used the name I guess.
I sometimes see minimalist Asics in fashion stores!