It's pretty much accepted, I believe, that you can't bike or swim or ski your way to being your best at running.
I keep hearing this about her but she became a high school record breaker by barely running and maxing out on elliptical and swimming. So I dont understand why people continue to say "it wont work". It already has. For her. Unless you are saying 15:25 in high school was still far below her potential. And even then, if the "normal" approach breaks her every time, why are people continually bringing it up as something she needs to find a way to do? If shes gotta play by different rules to run consistently than thats your focus. Not "well she could be faster if she was able to run high mileage". Yeah and she could also be faster if she was born with an outboard motor but she wasnt so deal with what your dealt. Her and Dad have been doing that pretty well so far. Maybe they see something in this move that will allow that to continue. Or maybe they are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. Who knows.
It's pretty much accepted, I believe, that you can't bike or swim or ski your way to being your best at running.
I keep hearing this about her but she became a high school record breaker by barely running and maxing out on elliptical and swimming. So I dont understand why people continue to say "it wont work". It already has. For her. Unless you are saying 15:25 in high school was still far below her potential. And even then, if the "normal" approach breaks her every time, why are people continually bringing it up as something she needs to find a way to do? If shes gotta play by different rules to run consistently than thats your focus. Not "well she could be faster if she was able to run high mileage". Yeah and she could also be faster if she was born with an outboard motor but she wasnt so deal with what your dealt. Her and Dad have been doing that pretty well so far. Maybe they see something in this move that will allow that to continue. Or maybe they are just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks. Who knows.
Because it is a crazed tuohy fan that will try to throw shade on any threat to tuohy. Freshman Cook was only 9 seconds behind the seasoned tuohy in their first 5k race meeting. We can just as easily speculate Cook will be a huge altitude responder, like Monson.
Every Parker valby thread turns into a convo about Katelyn tuohy
every doping bust thread turns into a convo about Shelby Houlihan
let's not turn a thread about Natalie into a thread about Addy Wiley.
I'm curious about this choice. Mark Wetmore's training is no joke, and not a ton of cross training involved.
Because the crazed tuohy fans on this site despise the fact that Cook and Valby are the people’s champions, that the vast majority want to root for, to see them succeed, while conversely, the despicable behavior of the tuohy-ites have turned tuohy into a periah.
maybe it's just the fact that all of my knowledge of U of Colorado training is all from "Runnnig with the Buffaloes" and this message board, I'm actually a little bit worried, it traditionally hasn't been kind to injury prone runners.
I, too, make conclusions based on uninformed speculation and 25 year-old literature.
The negative responders to altitude likely overtrained, which isn't much of a risk for an athlete who can't run more than 10-15 mpw without injury. Altitude helps if you are ready to accept that your runs will be slower for a while, but recovery is really not that big of an issue at altitude. Try running at sea level in Florida between April and late October if you want to see what it is like to have difficulty recovering from hard training.
The poster could have meant National Champions too but I'm guessing they're referring to Jenny Simpson World champion in the 2011 1500m and Emma Coburns 2017 Steeple WC.
Valid point either way. NAU has never had a women's team or individual National Champion.
Wetmore/CU has many over many eras.
A lot of upvotes for bad information..have you never heard of Angela Chalmers. NCAA champ Olympic medalist Fastest in the world one year.
The negative responders to altitude likely overtrained, which isn't much of a risk for an athlete who can't run more than 10-15 mpw without injury. Altitude helps if you are ready to accept that your runs will be slower for a while, but recovery is really not that big of an issue at altitude. Try running at sea level in Florida between April and late October if you want to see what it is like to have difficulty recovering from hard training.
I doubt that. People don't just move for the scenery. There is always a bigger reason.
I guess it could also be a desire to get up to altitude?
I doubt that. People don't just move for the altitude. There is always a bigger reason.
I've been wondering about the reason for her transfer and we may not ever know the real reason. Cook and her family really don't owe an explanation on why.
That said, when I was thinking about all of it, it was a really poor decision to have her run in the NCAA 5000 indoor final and that could not have made her family happy. It may not have been the reason but it could have been a factor. She was already injured and her running in that race just exacerbated it all. I was dumbfounded that she ran.
I doubt that. People don't just move for the altitude. There is always a bigger reason.
I've been wondering about the reason for her transfer and we may not ever know the real reason. Cook and her family really don't owe an explanation on why.
That said, when I was thinking about all of it, it was a really poor decision to have her run in the NCAA 5000 indoor final and that could not have made her family happy. It may not have been the reason but it could have been a factor. She was already injured and her running in that race just exacerbated it all. I was dumbfounded that she ran.
Totally agree on all points. Curious but probably won't know and really don't need to. I watched her run in person at the UW meet where she was a DNF and she didn't look like herself. The fact she ran an indoor 5k while clearly injured which is already brutal with the surface and turns on the body was quite surprising.
As a parent of an athlete I myself would not have been happy with that coaching decision. D Smith seems like a great guys so who knows where the disconnect is but all the best to her in CO.
One note is I did listen to her interview on the running effect- she seemed to be so easy going and have no hard feelings at this point for OKst. the interview was after indoors nationals, so her transfer news did surprise me.
In another thread about indoor nats, a poster implied that the OSU staff did not want Cook to run indoor, but she really wanted to give it a shot. The point made was just that she was not 100% fit after taking some time off. The issue of broken foot only came up later.
It might not have been the smartest, but Cook was determined to finish that indoor 5k in an old school way, even without her best stuff,
The negative responders to altitude likely overtrained, which isn't much of a risk for an athlete who can't run more than 10-15 mpw without injury. Altitude helps if you are ready to accept that your runs will be slower for a while, but recovery is really not that big of an issue at altitude. Try running at sea level in Florida between April and late October if you want to see what it is like to have difficulty recovering from hard training.
Isn't running in the heat known as 'poor man's altitude'? Both are harder to recover from.
Isn't injury the first order effect of over training? If 15 mpw is over training and causing injury, how much can be done where it is easier to over train?
In general, it is surprising how ambiguous the scientific studies are to altitude's benefits and here would be my explanation (vs. over training or iron or whatever).
Focusing on the blood, the first thing that happens at altitude is your body decreases the plasma volume, thickening and raising the red blood cell density. This is almost certainly bad for running performance. I believe conventional wisdom is if you are going to altitude to race, it either needs to be right away or some weeks later. So guess is it is because a lesser volume of thick blood is bad for performance, even with the higher density of red blood cells.
So to get a benefit, you are expecting the body to eventually produce more blood cells and along with it more plasma so at the end you have the same amount of blood volume as at low altitude but a higher density of red blood cells.
From epo doping, it is clear that that leads to better performance. What is not clear is whether that happens for the typical person and what conditions are needed. I would say some folks may just end up with thicker blood of not much more volume and it will be an overall detriment.
It's interesting that heat, the 'poor man's altitude', in theory works in essentially the opposite way. One of the first things that happens is your body makes more plasma, so you have more blood volume but it is thinner. Eventually the thought is your body will make more red blood cells to give the same density as before and you will end up will more blood volume of the same thickness. From blood doping using transfusions we know this will also increase performance.
Point is the body obviously monitors blood volume and density very closely: if it gets too thick you may have a heart attack and if is too thin you may pass out from lack of oxygen, so 'tricking' it into getting into a better condition for running by going to altitude is not going to be necessarily easy.
I thought that running in the heat slows you down (at least for the same HR) and increases the volume of blood plasma; I don't know if it makes you more prone to injuries though
The poster could have meant National Champions too but I'm guessing they're referring to Jenny Simpson World champion in the 2011 1500m and Emma Coburns 2017 Steeple WC.
Valid point either way. NAU has never had a women's team or individual National Champion.
Wetmore/CU has many over many eras.
A lot of upvotes for bad information..have you never heard of Angela Chalmers. NCAA champ Olympic medalist Fastest in the world one year.
May be referring to the relevant Heins/Smith era vs Wetmore era, and not the 1980s.??
The poster could have meant National Champions too but I'm guessing they're referring to Jenny Simpson World champion in the 2011 1500m and Emma Coburns 2017 Steeple WC.
Valid point either way. NAU has never had a women's team or individual National Champion.
Wetmore/CU has many over many eras.
A lot of upvotes for bad information..have you never heard of Angela Chalmers. NCAA champ Olympic medalist Fastest in the world one year.
...not to mention that Angela Chalmers never won WCs