Could Jakob Ingebrigtsen complete 20x400 at 1 minute rest at mile pace?

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  • ascd

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    1 year ago 03/28/2023 6:42pm EDT
    re: robert678

    robert678 wrote:

    I remember reading years ago that Rupp and Farah supposedly ran 20 x 400 in 58 with a 200m jog in between. Salazar always liked his athletes to jog slow on recoveries, so probably more like 1:30 to 1:45 rest. But that's the closest I've heard of to anyone actually doing that. And 20 x 400 at mile pace with 60 seconds rest is impossible, so no Jakob can't do it.

    I was just about to mention that. I think it was 20 x 400m at 57 at altitude with a 500m jog rest. Rupp was ran 3:50 for the mile so that was exactly mile race for him. Rupp being more of a 10k guy he's probably more efficient with that recovery than a pure miler, but I doubt he could have managed 57 with a 1' rest.

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    Bad Wigins

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    1 year ago 03/28/2023 7:11pm EDT
    re: ascd

    this is a strange question, since mile pace is a moving goal post that matches however fast you are. About the only thing that would make this harder for an elite is the 60 second rest.

    However I could maybe do it, because I'm lazy at the mile so my official pace is usually slower than my real fitness.

  • ascd

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    1 year ago 03/28/2023 10:44pm EDT
    re: Bad Wigins

    So the key to accomplishing this workout is just be lazy at the mile and have a slow mile PR relative to your higher distance ones? Thanks BW!

  • Lecitina

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 6:41am EDT
    re: Hsorr

    Kipchogue can do it

  • high school xc coach

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 7:42am EDT
    re: Bad Wigins

    Bad Wigins wrote:

    this is a strange question, since mile pace is a moving goal post that matches however fast you are. About the only thing that would make this harder for an elite is the 60 second rest.

    However I could maybe do it, because I'm lazy at the mile so my official pace is usually slower than my real fitness.

    i think that professionals who are likely to be running 100-120 mpw and loaded with talent, altitude training and maybe epo (and other things) would be more efficient with a ridiculous workout than the rest of us mortals. Add on that they should have better recovery methods, more rest, and better nutrition.

    And we're obviously not talking about people without a true idea of their mile capability.

  • dsdf

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 12:18pm EDT
    re: james coleman

    Depends on the rest. If 90 seconds then no. Maybe 7 or 8. Some here are saying 12. Not sure about ingeberger, but if I did a workout where I ran 12 400s @ 56 point with 90 seconds rest I would probably think I could run close to 12:35 5,000m. If he was able to haul in 20 then, yeah, sub 12:30 5,000m.

  • Jgt11

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 3:01pm EDT
    re: james coleman

    Kipchoge could probably do 20 * 400 at mile pace with 1 min rest right now. Kiplimo and Cheptegai too. But nobody in peak mile shape could.

  • Ronnieray7

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 4:41pm EDT
    re: bhilden

    Our 2man 10 mile relay we did quarters for the 1st 5 miles but then we went to halves. Did this twice per season. Once early on and another 2-3 weeks later. Good workout.

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    JohnR

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 5:41pm EDT
    re: Ronnieray7

    Again, no way. If they can do that, it's not their actual mile time. Nobody whose true mile best is, say, 4 minutes flat, can run 60 seconds in a 20 x 440. If they could do that workout, they would be 3:45 guys, or something like that.

    Jim Ryun was a famously hard worker, and when he was a sub-4 minute miler his 20 x 440 workout target was 62.5. You can look it up.

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    CartmanBrah

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 8:09pm EDT
    re: james coleman

    The real question is whether he could do 20 x 1 mile repeats at 400 meter race pace.

  • Jgt11

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    1 year ago 03/29/2023 8:26pm EDT
    re: JohnR

    JohnR wrote:

    Jim Ryun was a famously hard worker, and when he was a sub-4 minute miler his 20 x 440 workout target was 62.5. You can look it up.

    8 km of work done in 400m segments at approximately 2400m pace seems reasonable for an elite athlete. Although it's not an easy workout I could it done as a cut down from 65 to 59

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