The article was initially entiteld, "Zane Robertston!!!!" but we changed it to make it more descriptive. Here is our article on his bust and fake excuses (he said he went to a hospital for a COvid-19 vaccine but they gave him EPO instead) which points out that in 2016 he expressed frutation at the amount of doping in the sport:
Thanks for looking it up. Interesting to see the ratio has flipped of who is getting the busts AIU or Kenya. This might have something to do with the drug being used in competition, Triamcinolone Acetone (thus an AIU test) that was only banned on race day that resulted in some positives from 2021-2021. Additionally, there seems to have been targeting of certain athletes and a domestic testing push last Summer that resulted in numerous bans like Taki‘s.
These are bans, not busts. Betty Wilson Lempus was busted in 2021, Jackline Wambui in 2021, and Georgina Rono in 2022. There's a habit on this board of announcing Kenyan doping busts twice, first when the provisional suspension is announced then rinse and repeat when the ban is confirmed. No wonder Armstronglivs thinks they happen daily.
The most recent Kenyan cases are James Mwangi Wangari in December of 2022, before that Ibrahim Mukunga Wachira in October and before that Michael Kunyunga Njenga in August. Maybe because these are mostly lower tier no-names, people don't realise they're talking about the same person.
You could easily avoid egg on your face by checking the AIU's site directly.
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Also, the most recent cases on ADAK's site are body builders. One distance runner busted each for the months of October, September and August on top of Michael Saruni's "evading, refusing or failing to submit to sample collection" in August.
After a post-Covid spike, busts are trending downwards again as before the pandemic. And high profile busts like Lawrence Cherono are becoming exceedingly rare.
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You haven't followed the regular reports of Kenyan doping infractions in the news. They don't get headlines anymore because Kenyan doping is now a given. So you imagine that one of the worst doping nations in 2022 has suddenly desisted with the practice? Kenya was on the verge of an international ban last year. Somehow, New Zealand can't compete with that. Two distance runners busted for doping in its entire sporting history. With Kenya, doping busts have become as continuous as a production line. 50 or so Kenyan athletes are currently serving a ban. If doping busts was a competition Kenya would get the gold.
You always, conveniently, forget to answer the part about how many world class runners Kenya has vs how many from NZ.
You have missed the point. If a country had only one world class runner, who was then busted, you would argue its percentage of violations - 100% - make it worse as far as doping is concerned than a country that has a smaller percentage busted because it has many more world class runners but only a "hundred or so" are busted. The percentage comparison in this context is irrelevant and misleading. One runner (or even two) who is known to have doped does not demonstrate a country has a doping problem in the sport. A country has a doping problem that regardless of its total number of runners produces a stream of known dopers - 40% of total positives in the sport over a year, in the case of Kenya. Robertson has a doping problem; New Zealand doesn't - unlike Kenya, which Lord Coe has said needs to "clean up its sport".
Do you know how many Kenyan distance runners were busted in 2023 El K? Armstronglivs claimes it's 25+, but he is a notorious liar and I have not heard many infos about it recently. Maybe you know the answer?
None so far in 2023. All the recent busts are from late 2022.
You can look forward to hearing about the busts occurring this year when their bans come through in 2024. You are dreaming if you think Kenyan doping has suddenly stopped since 2022.
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There have been probably between 4-7 “new” Kenyan doping suspensions this year. We are a quarter through the year. Most of the infractions date back some months into 2022. A lot of last years action was in the spring and summer, so we will see if deterrence as well as testing last year will make a dent.
A lot of the 2022 suspensions also would have dated back to the previous year. But are you trying to suggest that Kenyan doping has now suddenly and mysteriously stopped? You should tell Lord Coe. He will be so relieved.
There have been probably between 4-7 “new” Kenyan doping suspensions this year. We are a quarter through the year. Most of the infractions date back some months into 2022. A lot of last years action was in the spring and summer, so we will see if deterrence as well as testing last year will make a dent.
For 2023, the AIU website lists 1 decision against Kenyans and the ADAK website lists 8, but as you said, for infractions dating back to 2022, 2021, and even one from 2019.
In 2022, the AIU reported 20 decisions and the ADAK website lists 6 more, again, some for infractions from previous years.
Note while most of these decisions involved banned substances, a few of these are for violations not involving substances, like whereabouts failures, evasion/refusal to give a sample, and violation of participation during prohibition.
Any claim of 2 Kenyans per week, or even 1 Kenyan per week, doesn't seem particularly informed or able to be backed by data. For 2022, it was more like 0.5 Kenyans each week, when combining international and domestic athletes. It may simply seem like more, because sometimes the same name will appear multiple times, as they are provisionally sanctioned, charged, until the first decision -- with each anti-doping milestone making headlines because it is Kenya. For 2023, it is currently 9 Kenyans over 12 weeks, but the announcements come in bursts, so it is too early to tell if their is an increasing or stable or decreasing trend. This is still less than 1 Kenyan per week.
Still "less than 1 Kenyan per week"? What a relief. Obviously, that means Kenya doesn't really have a doping problem. That's what you appear to be saying. But they are nonetheless currently the frontrunners for testing positive.
Feel free to continue. You press on the Google symbol and type 'Kenyan doping 2023'. Easy.
These are bans, not busts. Betty Wilson Lempus was busted in 2021, Jackline Wambui in 2021, and Georgina Rono in 2022. There's a habit on this board of announcing Kenyan doping busts twice, first when the provisional suspension is announced then rinse and repeat when the ban is confirmed. No wonder Armstronglivs thinks they happen daily.
The most recent Kenyan cases are James Mwangi Wangari in December of 2022, before that Ibrahim Mukunga Wachira in October and before that Michael Kunyunga Njenga in August. Maybe because these are mostly lower tier no-names, people don't realise they're talking about the same person.
You could easily avoid egg on your face by checking the AIU's site directly.
You could "avoid egg on your face" by honestly acknowledging the seriousness of Kenya's doping problem. Their own sporting authorities have.
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Hello. Sorry to confuse you. I am never of the two persons you mentioned. Would you like to comment on the figures at all?
He won't. They are figures that can't be explained away. He is also one of those who prefer to think all criticism of Kenyan doping comes from one person alone. He is wrong.
Isn't Stablemaster the nutcase whose whole persona mimics the "a titan will fall" thread? Seems like he has it in for Zane and wants him behind bars. Why?
If I were Zane, I'd make a run for the Ugandan border.
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Still "less than 1 Kenyan per week"? What a relief. Obviously, that means Kenya doesn't really have a doping problem. That's what you appear to be saying. But they are nonetheless currently the frontrunners for testing positive.
Sure there is a problem, but can you put a number on it?
Recall you said "This year at least two Kenyans are popped each week."
What I should have appeared to be saying is "Any claim of 2 Kenyans per week doesn't seem particularly informed."
Isn't Stablemaster the nutcase whose whole persona mimics the "a titan will fall" thread? Seems like he has it in for Zane and wants him behind bars. Why?
If I were Zane, I'd make a run for the Ugandan border.
We don't want your cheats here, you can keep them or clean up your athletes. We can win clean.
Excerpt: "Aprot was among 20 sportsmen and women that ADAK provisionally suspended for doping rules violation early January this year". On its own that's 20 in less than 13 weeks, so an average of over 1.5 per week.
Obviously it will be for doping that occurred previously, and they didn't all dope in January, but there's always a time lag between somebody being caught and sanctioned, so I think claims of 2 a week are not as outlandish as several have claimed.
All these Kenyan cheats getting busted for peds other than EPO just shows how difficult it still is to detect EPO, and how unlikely it is that Zane Robertson would get popped on his first time using it.
Excerpt: "Aprot was among 20 sportsmen and women that ADAK provisionally suspended for doping rules violation early January this year". On its own that's 20 in less than 13 weeks, so an average of over 1.5 per week.
Obviously it will be for doping that occurred previously, and they didn't all dope in January, but there's always a time lag between somebody being caught and sanctioned, so I think claims of 2 a week are not as outlandish as several have claimed.
Sure -- 20 if you want to count Judo, Body-building, and Football. If you dig a little further, at "nation.africa", this 20 comes from a list starting ADAK started compiling from July 2022, as ADAK had to get through legal appeals before they could publish the names, for the first time in Jan. 2023, after they decided to implement a 2021 rule change that permits publishing names of suspended athletes.
If we consider just athletics, from July 2022, to Jan 07, 2023, we have 15 athletes over 27 weeks, or 0.56 athletes per week (or extending until today -- 15 athletes over 39 weeks or 0.4 per week).
I don't know at what point a claim becomes outlandish, but claiming 2 athletes per week are suspended doesn't seem particularly well informed.
There is a stench coming off these pages. It's called doping denial. And it's coming from deniers of Kenyan doping.
The only stench here is the one left by your rage.
The posters you have been addressing have not denied doping exists in Kenya. Your rage blinds you. This thread is about Zane Robinson, a New Zealander, who doped.
Whether he got the EPO in Ethiopia, in Kenya or in Auckland is irrelevant, because he could get it in any of those places. The relevant part is that he doped, he lied, and we will probably never know where he got the EPO.
He has probably been doping for years and got EPO wherever he went.
You are trying to turn this into a thread about doping in Kenya, and Kenyan dopers. You have plenty of threads for that.
Seriously dude you have to very ill to get EPO in Auckland. With State controlled health systems if Zane Robertson got a dirty doctor in Hamilton to write him a prescription for EPO. A chemist is going to separately red flag this as suspicious. In short it is just not happening in NZ. In the US, Mexico, Kenya or Russia yes but not in NZ. There's checks and balances.
Isn't Stablemaster the nutcase whose whole persona mimics the "a titan will fall" thread? Seems like he has it in for Zane and wants him behind bars. Why?
If I were Zane, I'd make a run for the Ugandan border.
Notorious New Zealanders that are shamed always live out their days in Australia