Here is my original quote: "If Kara felt uncomfortable in inappropriate coach-athlete situations, she has all my sympathy." Again, what is my faux pas here?
1: The use of the word "if".
2: The downplaying of the rapes as "inappropriate coach-athlete situations".
3: Later you even topped it with direct lies by falsely calling the rapes "fictitious" and "hypothetical".
4: Yet you insist that you cannot be criticized here, instead of being ashamed and apologizing for pretending that there was no rape and that the victim might have enjoyed "the massages".
You have nailed it. But he won't get it. He is always truth-avoidant.
I do have something to offer -- my sympathy. The value added -- my words in response to Kara's words -- is "she has all my sympathy". Seriously, what is wrong with you? You need to see someone about it.
Isn't this thread about Kara and Kara's book?
Your "sympathy" - the thing you say you have "learned" to feel for women. Like the "sympathy" you might feel for the lower orders, those who aren't your equals. But your sympathy is conditional; it depends on - as you have said - "if" a finger went where it shouldn't. She said it did but you're hedging your bets. So much sympathy.
Every thread with you comes down to arguing what was really said, just days earlier. My "conditional sympathy" was "if Kara felt uncomfortable".
After passing through your brain, and back through your keyboard, somehow it has morphed and twisted into ""if" a finger went where it shouldn't". You are demonstrably lying.
I can't keep correcting your inability to distinguish reality from fantasy if you are unable or unwilling to read the posts, with comprehension.
Your "sympathy" - the thing you say you have "learned" to feel for women. Like the "sympathy" you might feel for the lower orders, those who aren't your equals. But your sympathy is conditional; it depends on - as you have said - "if" a finger went where it shouldn't. She said it did but you're hedging your bets. So much sympathy.
Every thread with you comes down to arguing what was really said, just days earlier. My "conditional sympathy" was "if Kara felt uncomfortable".
After passing through your brain, and back through your keyboard, somehow it has morphed and twisted into ""if" a finger went where it shouldn't". You are demonstrably lying.
I can't keep correcting your inability to distinguish reality from fantasy if you are unable or unwilling to read the posts, with comprehension.
So you now say that the only issue for you is "if" Kara "felt uncomfortable", not if she was sexually assaulted. Uncomfortable about what? Being sexually assaulted? You think her being uncomfortable with that is an "if"?
It is also hard read much into your "sympathy" for her, when it has previously extended to convicted dopers and also Salazar himself - that fine upstanding fellow who is guilty of doping infractions as well as sexually assaulting her and abusing other young female athletes in his charge. You are very generous with your sympathy. All appear deserving - no matter what they've done.
I forgot, you also referred to a sexual assault as "an inappropriate coach-athlete situation". Only "inappropriate"? A "situation"? What's that? I wonder what a coach would have to do for you to acknowledge they had sexually abused one of their athletes. But you would be "sympathetic" - just like if a coach had criticized an athlete - or they had pulled a muscle or something.
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So you now say that the only issue for you is "if" Kara "felt uncomfortable", not if she was sexually assaulted. Uncomfortable about what? Being sexually assaulted? You think her being uncomfortable with that is an "if"?
It is also hard read much into your "sympathy" for her, when it has previously extended to convicted dopers and also Salazar himself - that fine upstanding fellow who is guilty of doping infractions as well as sexually assaulting her and abusing other young female athletes in his charge. You are very generous with your sympathy. All appear deserving - no matter what they've done.
What I say now is what I already said then. I have already clarified all of these misconceptions.
I can tell when you think you've lost any exchange, when you keep changing the topic, and start adding more lies. I don't want to talk about Alberto's other bans, but I never extended sympathy to Alberto -- only corrected many mistatements about what was found and not found.
So you now say that the only issue for you is "if" Kara "felt uncomfortable", not if she was sexually assaulted. Uncomfortable about what? Being sexually assaulted? You think her being uncomfortable with that is an "if"?
It is also hard read much into your "sympathy" for her, when it has previously extended to convicted dopers and also Salazar himself - that fine upstanding fellow who is guilty of doping infractions as well as sexually assaulting her and abusing other young female athletes in his charge. You are very generous with your sympathy. All appear deserving - no matter what they've done.
What I say now is what I already said then. I have already clarified all of these misconceptions.
I can tell when you think you've lost any exchange, when you keep changing the topic, and start adding more lies. I don't want to talk about Alberto's other bans, but I never extended sympathy to Alberto -- only corrected many mistatements about what was found and not found.
I haven't lost anything. I have shown you for what you are. Or rather - you have.
A coach does not receive a life time ban for an "inappropriate coach-athlete situation". That could be going to the movies together. But he will for abuse of a minor and sexual abuse of one of his athletes.
What I say now is what I already said then. I have already clarified all of these misconceptions.
I can tell when you think you've lost any exchange, when you keep changing the topic, and start adding more lies. I don't want to talk about Alberto's other bans, but I never extended sympathy to Alberto -- only corrected many mistatements about what was found and not found.
I haven't lost anything. I have shown you for what you are. Or rather - you have.
You may be right. Can you lose something you never had?
You have only exposed yourself. I have only consistenly expressed sympathy for a victim, and for unrelated reasons, you want to demonize me.
A coach does not receive a life time ban for an "inappropriate coach-athlete situation". That could be going to the movies together. But he will for abuse of a minor and sexual abuse of one of his athletes.
Not sure what point you want to make here, but your example helps prove why my original "if" makes the most sense -- as going to the movies might be "inappropriate" but Kara might feel "comfortable" -- then she doesn't need my sympathy.
A coach does not receive a life time ban for an "inappropriate coach-athlete situation". That could be going to the movies together. But he will for abuse of a minor and sexual abuse of one of his athletes.
Not sure what point you want to make here, but your example helps prove why my original "if" makes the most sense -- as going to the movies might be "inappropriate" but Kara might feel "comfortable" -- then she doesn't need my sympathy.
That you effectively liken a sexual assault by a coach to going to the movies with them shows you simply don't get it.
Not sure what point you want to make here, but your example helps prove why my original "if" makes the most sense -- as going to the movies might be "inappropriate" but Kara might feel "comfortable" -- then she doesn't need my sympathy.
That you effectively liken a sexual assault by a coach to going to the movies with them shows you simply don't get it.
That is not quite true. I likened "movies" to "inappropriate situation". Others likened "sexual assault" to "inappropiate situation".
I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand by me specifying all inappropriate coach-athlete situations, that made Kara uncomfortable. I know you are not the brightest of the bunch, but you simply cannot be that obliviously obtuse.
That you effectively liken a sexual assault by a coach to going to the movies with them shows you simply don't get it.
That is not quite true. I likened "movies" to "inappropriate situation". Others likened "sexual assault" to "inappropiate situation".
I don't see what is so difficult for you to understand by me specifying all inappropriate coach-athlete situations, that made Kara uncomfortable. I know you are not the brightest of the bunch, but you simply cannot be that obliviously obtuse.
The only "inappropriate coach-athlete situations" this thread has referred to were of a sexual assault. Are you really so stupid as to not see that? What other "inappropriate coach athlete situations" (your typically mealy-mouthed description) has Kara complained of? In what way has she also indicated she was "comfortable" with it - which you have suggested was possible?
It is quite obvious what you are trying to do, which is to diminish the serious of Salazar's actions. You have done that in every thread where he has been convicted of abuses, whether they are doping infractions or abuses of his athletes. Quite clearly, despite your previous claims, you still haven't "learned to feel sympathy for women". That would require an empathy you simply don't possess.
The only "inappropriate coach-athlete situations" this thread has referred to were of a sexual assault. Are you really so stupid as to not see that? What other "inappropriate coach athlete situations" (your typically mealy-mouthed description) has Kara complained of? In what way has she also indicated she was "comfortable" with it - which you have suggested was possible?
It is quite obvious what you are trying to do, which is to diminish the serious of Salazar's actions. You have done that in every thread where he has been convicted of abuses, whether they are doping infractions or abuses of his athletes. Quite clearly, despite your previous claims, you still haven't "learned to feel sympathy for women". That would require an empathy you simply don't possess.
(Sigh.) Once again, that's also not quite true. It's getting old demonstrably debunking your nonsense. Already by post #8, just before your post at #11, there is a reference to the attempted drunken kiss. I must have been smarter then than you are now. In any case, there is no restriction or constraint that says I am limited to only replying to things that have previously appear in this thread.
But, in this thread alone -- about Kara's new book -- there are multiple links to writeups and interviews with Kara, which describe many inappropriate (Kara's word) situations (Kara's word) that made her feel uncomfortable (Kara's word). I listed some already: drunken kiss, crude jokes about butts and boobs, topless cyrobaths, etc. There are more I didn't list, but publicly available, like personal questions about her sex life with Adam.
In one of those links, Oiselle founder -- one of the strongest supporters of Kara, who gave her an alternative to Nike -- says "But reducing The Longest Race to the single story of assault would be a huge mistake". I did not make that mistake, but you still are now.
I have only expressed sympathy for the victim for all of these situations described in her new book, and in interviews, and for good measure any and all situations I have not yet seen, linking my sympathy directly to the level of her uncomfort -- i.e. letting the victim herself judge the seriousness of the incidents -- and you are reacting like a lunatic, inventing and reacting to things I did not say, and looking for hidden messages and meanings and agendas that are not there.
That you are so aggressively attacking a consistent sympathizer of this victim of sexual assault and all of the other inappropriate situations Kara mentioned, what does that really say about your character and morals and your sanity? There were so many other posters accusing Kara of being an opportunistic greedy liar, and painting Salazar as a victim of a process that didn't allow him to defend himself, and quite tellingly, you are excessively irrationally obsessed with me for committing the sin of expressing all my sympathy for all of the inappropriate situations that made her feel uncomfortable, ranging in severity from the movies (your example) to the drunken kiss, to sexual misconduct (Safesport's words) to sexual assault to rape (Barca Fan's and Kickerer's words). Help me decide, are you a) ignorant, b) oblivious, c) imagining things, d) blinded by emotion, e) lying, f) lacking character, g) immoral, h) insane, or i) all of the above? More than one response may be correct.
The only "inappropriate coach-athlete situations" this thread has referred to were of a sexual assault. Are you really so stupid as to not see that? What other "inappropriate coach athlete situations" (your typically mealy-mouthed description) has Kara complained of? In what way has she also indicated she was "comfortable" with it - which you have suggested was possible?
It is quite obvious what you are trying to do, which is to diminish the serious of Salazar's actions. You have done that in every thread where he has been convicted of abuses, whether they are doping infractions or abuses of his athletes. Quite clearly, despite your previous claims, you still haven't "learned to feel sympathy for women". That would require an empathy you simply don't possess.
(Sigh.) Once again, that's also not quite true. It's getting old demonstrably debunking your nonsense. Already by post #8, just before your post at #11, there is a reference to the attempted drunken kiss. I must have been smarter then than you are now. In any case, there is no restriction or constraint that says I am limited to only replying to things that have previously appear in this thread.
But, in this thread alone -- about Kara's new book -- there are multiple links to writeups and interviews with Kara, which describe many inappropriate (Kara's word) situations (Kara's word) that made her feel uncomfortable (Kara's word). I listed some already: drunken kiss, crude jokes about butts and boobs, topless cyrobaths, etc. There are more I didn't list, but publicly available, like personal questions about her sex life with Adam.
In one of those links, Oiselle founder -- one of the strongest supporters of Kara, who gave her an alternative to Nike -- says "But reducing The Longest Race to the single story of assault would be a huge mistake". I did not make that mistake, but you still are now.
I have only expressed sympathy for the victim for all of these situations described in her new book, and in interview's, and for good measure any and all situations I have not yet seen, linking my sympathy directly to the level of her uncomfort -- i.e. letting the victim herself judge the seriousness of the incidents -- and you are reacting like a lunatic, inventing and reacting to things I did not say, and looking for hidden messages and meanings and agendas that are not there.
That you are so aggressively attacking a consistent sympathizer of this victim of sexual assault and all of the other inappropriate situations Kara mentioned, what does that really say about your character and morals and your sanity? There were so many other posters accusing Kara of being an opportunistic greedy liar, and painting Salazar as a victim of a process that didn't allow him to defend himself, and quite tellingly, you are excessively irrationally obsessed with me for committing the sin of expressing all my sympathy for all of the inappropriate situations that made her feel uncomfortable, ranging in severity from the movies (your example) to the drunken kiss, to sexual misconduct (Safesport's words) to sexual assault to rape (Barca Fan's and Kickerer's words). Help me decide, are you a) ignorant, b) oblivious, c) imagining things, d) blinded by emotion, e) lying, f) lacking character, g) immoral, h) insane, or i) all of the above? More than one response may be correct.
The more you say the less believable you become. You are trying to dig yourself out of a hole of your own making. You have failed to see the title of the thread, which simply refers to "sexual assault" - not your "inappropriate coach-athlete situations". Unsurprisingly, you also don't grasp she wouldn't have made a complaint if she had been "comfortable" with a sexual assault.
But I guess it would be reassuring for her if she knew she has the same "sympathy" you have previously extended to Salazar and a bunch of doped athletes.
The more you say the less believable you become. You are trying to dig yourself out of a hole of your own making. You have failed to see the title of the thread, which simply refers to "sexual assault" - not your "inappropriate coach-athlete situations". Unsurprisingly, you also don't grasp she wouldn't have made a complaint if she had been "comfortable" with a sexual assault.
But I guess it would be reassuring for her if she knew she has the same "sympathy" you have previously extended to Salazar and a bunch of doped athletes.
I can't help what you believe as you do have a long history of expressing your faith in fantasy.
I don't see anything in the title about harassing and making up lies and whatever else it takes to prevent rekrunner from simply expressing sympathy for the victim for her discomfort from all of the inappropriate incidents, but that hasn't stopped you from derailing the thread with your own personal unresolved insecurities.
Nor do I see anything about doping in the thread title, but you keep trolling for a response, attempting to derail the thread even further.
I do see "her new book" in the title, and I was not the first and only one to respond to other "non-sexual assault" complaints that appear in the book.
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