The Tour de France is absolutely one sport where intra race drug protocols should be allowed, at the end of the tour they are some of the most broken down athletes you will ever see
That's kinda my point. Seems like we already have (mostly) what you said you wanted, and I don't share your optimism that abolishing that completely will be healthier. It will be cycling in the '90s again, favoring the athlete most willing to risk his health.
Getting back to my original response, while I have expressed a lot of my own ideas, I don't think it should be me or you to decide, but an athlete's union with a stronger voice to shape how to best protect the athlete's interests.
Still not got it.
Elite sport favours those who are most willing to risk their health with or without drug use.
Elite sport causes injuries that need surgery in a very high percentage of athletes ; could be as high as 90%.
Drug use from the 80’s has no where at all shown such.
When you are injured or unheathly, you go see your doctor.
You should lobby athletes and your local ADA for using steroids as preventive medicine eligible for TUEs.
When you are injured or unheathly, you go see your doctor.
You should lobby athletes and your local ADA for using steroids as preventive medicine eligible for TUEs.
Please explain how yours deals with mine in any regards?
Elite sport is more dangerous than PED’s ….. discuss.
PED abuse and overdose can be more dangerous: life threatening or life shortening.
As I said, it is really not that complicated. I addressed your concerns of athlete health by suggesting athletes be allowed to see doctors whose profession it is to promote health.
This should be supervised, and homogenized around the globe.
The central challenge remains of ensuring these doctors confirm to a high code of ethics to ensure health is the highest priority, learning our lessons from Russia, East Germany, cycling in the '90s, etc.
There are several ways that can be achieved, but I don't believe that abolishing all anti-doping is one of them.
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Please explain how yours deals with mine in any regards?
Elite sport is more dangerous than PED’s ….. discuss.
PED abuse and overdose can be more dangerous: life threatening or life shortening.
As I said, it is really not that complicated. I addressed your concerns of athlete health by suggesting athletes be allowed to see doctors whose profession it is to promote health.
This should be supervised, and homogenized around the globe.
The central challenge remains of ensuring these doctors confirm to a high code of ethics to ensure health is the highest priority, learning our lessons from Russia, East Germany, cycling in the '90s, etc.
There are several ways that can be achieved, but I don't believe that abolishing all anti-doping is one of them.
Please explain how yours deals with mine in any regards?
Elite sport is more dangerous than PED’s ….. discuss.
PED abuse and overdose can be more dangerous: life threatening or life shortening.
As I said, it is really not that complicated. I addressed your concerns of athlete health by suggesting athletes be allowed to see doctors whose profession it is to promote health.
This should be supervised, and homogenized around the globe.
The central challenge remains of ensuring these doctors confirm to a high code of ethics to ensure health is the highest priority, learning our lessons from Russia, East Germany, cycling in the '90s, etc.
There are several ways that can be achieved, but I don't believe that abolishing all anti-doping is one of them.
But you have only provided the most scant and hearsay evidence.So what lessons I ask yet again?
Yet on the first page of Letsrun it says that Brazier is having his second operation.
If health was the highest priority the doctors would ban elite sport
PED abuse and overdose can be more dangerous: life threatening or life shortening.
As I said, it is really not that complicated. I addressed your concerns of athlete health by suggesting athletes be allowed to see doctors whose profession it is to promote health.
This should be supervised, and homogenized around the globe.
The central challenge remains of ensuring these doctors confirm to a high code of ethics to ensure health is the highest priority, learning our lessons from Russia, East Germany, cycling in the '90s, etc.
There are several ways that can be achieved, but I don't believe that abolishing all anti-doping is one of them.
So do you believe in the PED concept or not?
I'm not really sure what "PED concept" actually means.
But I believe too much of many drugs can harm your health.
Why on earth did you isolate out a targeted group but really you did mean that all are targeted. There are hundreds of millions who are subject to Wada : so they are all targeted.
Why on earth did you isolate out a targeted group but really you did mean that all are targeted. There are hundreds of millions who are subject to Wada : so they are all targeted.
What jibberish !
To distinguish athletes as a group from other groups, like fans and coaches who are not the targeted groups for protection -- athletes are the targeted group that WADA was created to protect, and I'm suggesting that a smaller group of athlete representatives chosen to represent the athletes should be given the loudest voice on any changes and reform.
I see it's confusing as I used the word "group" twice, once to refer to the whole group targeted for protection, and the smaller group of representatives who should decide how that happens.
Why on earth did you isolate out a targeted group but really you did mean that all are targeted. There are hundreds of millions who are subject to Wada : so they are all targeted.
What jibberish !
To distinguish athletes as a group from other groups, like fans and coaches who are not the targeted groups for protection -- athletes are the targeted group that WADA was created to protect, and I'm suggesting that a smaller group of athlete representatives chosen to represent the athletes should be given the loudest voice on any changes and reform.
I see it's confusing as I used the word "group" twice, once to refer to the whole group targeted for protection, and the smaller group of representatives who should decide how that happens.
But what on earth is the group targeted for protection ?
Does this no mean the 100’s of millions who are subject to Wada?
To say that there is a group that is targeted means that there is a group not targeted; so please clarify the latter. Is this group the billions who do not do sport?
What was wrong? Here is a sample of some health issues: Cyclists like Tom Simpson died, and (allegedly?) several Dutch cyclists from EPO, and Pantani; Lance Armstong's cancer was reportedly triggered or made worse by HGH; Heidi Krieger had so many male hormones, she is now Andreas Krieger; Tyler Hamilton infused a bad batch of blood which nearly killed him; the Russian reportedly had a few athletes with dangerously high blood levels that they should have been hospitalized.
What did Simpson die of ?
How many cyclists have died by cycling accidents?
Armstrong … reportedly !
Krieger; a non binary that got compo from the State.
Hamilton ; bad batch of blood cos it was all underworld supply.
Russians… high levels of what… reportedly.
Is that the best you can come up with after 70 yrs of sports doping?
Tommy Simpson died of a heart attack due to the amphetamines he was on while climbing the famous Mont Vontoux stage during the 1967 TDF.
For decades, amphetamines & synthetic testosterone were the PEDs of choice in cycling up to around the early 90s when EPO became center stage. The great Eddy Merckx even tested positive for amphetamines.
Amphetamines & test was primarily used by the cyclists to fight fatigue & improve recovery from the grueling 3 week Grand Tours that were basically survival events during the last week of the GT.
There were other cyclists over the decades of this era that had medical problems from the amphetamine use but no others that died in-competetion.
Armstrong has said that he suspects the HGH he started using in 1996 was the cause of his testicular cancer. However, he admits to doping as early as 21 when first signed on with Motorola (primarily testosterone use I believe). Recall Armstrong has said testosterone & HGH were just "1 percenters" in terms of performance improvement while claiming EPO was a 10% boost in his performance.
But what on earth is the group targeted for protection ?
Does this no mean the 100’s of millions who are subject to Wada?
To say that there is a group that is targeted means that there is a group not targeted; so please clarify the latter. Is this group the billions who do not do sport?
Yes. WADA protects "athletes", and not the rest of the non-athlete population.
If it helps, you can to go WADA's "Who We Are" web page.