Official 2023 Ivy indoor heps discussion thread

rojo wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

I was sitting at the finish line for Day 2. me and the other people who were on those bleachers were wondering why that 4x8 collision didn’t result in a DQ since we were right next to it happening. I appreciate the breakdown from people who are more familiar with 4x8 racing. Im still saddened that that collision cost Harvard the title.

I was told that Henz is physically ok though, but I think he’s done for the season as he likely didn’t make the NCAA cut.

Did you watch the video? If anyone should have been DQd, it would have been Henz. It didn't result in a DQ because it takes more than 1 stride for a relay runner to leave the track.

Back to Jason Stewart, I just got off the phone with Scott Anderon. Indeed in 1994, Stewart of Army was much like Blanks today. Back when 8:00 was fast, Stewart crushed the field in the 3k in like 8 flat, then he front ran and destroyed everyone in the 5k running in the 13:40s or 13:50s. Then he anchored the DMR. Got the stick in the lead but my rommate Scott Anderson, who was sick in the open 3k the day before and thought he might have been lapped by Stewart, just sat on him. It's so so much harder to be running DMR anchor tired than then you ran just the 3k the day before.

Weldon's junior year he had the lead on the DMR anchor but ended up not scoring as he was tired from the mile final.

rojo wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

I was sitting at the finish line for Day 2. me and the other people who were on those bleachers were wondering why that 4x8 collision didn’t result in a DQ since we were right next to it happening.

All of this DQ talk is ridiculous. It seems like in the year 2023, there has to be someone to blame when things don't go as they 'should.'

Why?

Harvard should be very proud of their effort.

Life is random sometimes - sometimes you drop the stick. Let's stop looking for DQs.

Check that. I just \got a texting saying to watch the mile again and see if there should be a DQ. And yes there should have been. Take a look at this:

Are the results official yet? Cornell runner clearly just took a step on the infield for no reason. That'a DQ.

So give Harvard 2 more points. Actually 3 as their 7th placer would go to 6th. Harvard is your champions!!! Oh wait, Princeton moves up 4 points as 4th moves to 3rd and 5th to 4th.

So the final Rojo score is Princeton 168Harvard 166

rojo wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

I was sitting at the finish line for Day 2. me and the other people who were on those bleachers were wondering why that 4x8 collision didn’t result in a DQ since we were right next to it happening.

All of this DQ talk is ridiculous. It seems like in the year 2023, there has to be someone to blame when things don't go as they 'should.'

Why?

Harvard should be very proud of their effort.

Life is random sometimes - sometimes you drop the stick. Let's stop looking for DQs.

Check that. I just \got a texting saying to watch the mile again and see if there should be a DQ. And yes there should have been. Take a look at this:

Are the results official yet? Cornell runner clearly just took a step on the infield for no reason. That'a DQ.

So give Harvard 2 more points. Actually 3 as their 7th placer would go to 6th. Harvard is your champions!!! Oh wait, Princeton moves up 4 points as 4th moves to 3rd and 5th to 4th.

So the final Rojo score is Princeton 168Harvard 166

no DQ wrote:

rojo wrote:

All of this DQ talk is ridiculous. It seems like in the year 2023, there has to be someone to blame when things don't go as they 'should.'

Why?

Harvard should be very proud of their effort.

Life is random sometimes - sometimes you drop the stick. Let's stop looking for DQs.

Check that. I just \got a texting saying to watch the mile again and see if there should be a DQ. And yes there should have been. Take a look at this:

Are the results official yet? Cornell runner clearly just took a step on the infield for no reason. That'a DQ.

So give Harvard 2 more points. Actually 3 as their 7th placer would go to 6th. Harvard is your champions!!! Oh wait, Princeton moves up 4 points as 4th moves to 3rd and 5th to 4th.

So the final Rojo score is Princeton 168Harvard 166

the Cornell runner only takes one foot on the inside of the curb, section 5-g. of the ncaa rule book states a runner shall be DQ'ed if he
"g. Steps on or over the curb with two consecutive steps of either both feet or a
single foot"

so the Cornell runner should not be DQ'ed

rojo wrote:

C/M Runner wrote:

I was sitting at the finish line for Day 2. me and the other people who were on those bleachers were wondering why that 4x8 collision didn’t result in a DQ since we were right next to it happening.

All of this DQ talk is ridiculous. It seems like in the year 2023, there has to be someone to blame when things don't go as they 'should.'

Why?

Harvard should be very proud of their effort.

Life is random sometimes - sometimes you drop the stick. Let's stop looking for DQs.

Check that. I just \got a texting saying to watch the mile again and see if there should be a DQ. And yes there should have been. Take a look at this:

Are the results official yet? Cornell runner clearly just took a step on the infield for no reason. That'a DQ.

So give Harvard 2 more points. Actually 3 as their 7th placer would go to 6th. Harvard is your champions!!! Oh wait, Princeton moves up 4 points as 4th moves to 3rd and 5th to 4th.

So the final Rojo score is Princeton 168Harvard 166

BRF wrote:

TrueBen wrote:

The heps meet scores are totally underwhelming. How are yale, brown, cornell (women), and dartmouth so terrible?

Given its international cachet and relatively large number of undergraduates, it's not surprising that Harvard is in contention--it should be.

Princeton is also recognized abroad, though not as well as Harvard. And, after Dartmouth, Princeton has the smallest UG student body in the League. Yet they too are constant contenders.

I recognize that any team can have an "off" meet or year, but with its UG student body--the largest, by some thousands, in the Ivies--Cornell should be able to enter a competitive women's squad every time.

And of course they did so, perennially, not so long ago. Cornell has had outstanding female international athletes in the past, as well, and not just from Canada.

Coaches and admins need to look for what's wrong, which may involve looking in a mirror.

C/M Runner wrote:

BRF wrote:

Given its international cachet and relatively large number of undergraduates, it's not surprising that Harvard is in contention--it should be.

Princeton is also recognized abroad, though not as well as Harvard. And, after Dartmouth, Princeton has the smallest UG student body in the League. Yet they too are constant contenders.

I recognize that any team can have an "off" meet or year, but with its UG student body--the largest, by some thousands, in the Ivies--Cornell should be able to enter a competitive women's squad every time.

And of course they did so, perennially, not so long ago. Cornell has had outstanding female international athletes in the past, as well, and not just from Canada.

Coaches and admins need to look for what's wrong, which may involve looking in a mirror.

Harvard only got back to team title competition with once they got their current coaching staff. They were at the bottom of the conference in the early 2000s until around 2010 timeframe (retirement of old school coaching staff and transition to Saretsky & his group, as Saretsky only started at Harvard starting the 2006-07 seasons). I know the old guard didn't do much recruiting as they wanted the Harvard name to be the main draw - one the athlete got admitted anyways (except for Paul Turner - he recruited his throwers).

It's really Princeton's model that the Ivies should be looking at, since they've been among the top 2 for both genders for much of the last 25 years.