Official 2023 Ivy indoor heps discussion thread

Having attended classes at both NAU and an Ivy, I would say that, generally speaking, they don't.

Olympic Class vs. Junior College Class

the meet is underway. live results here:

harvard’s PV no heighted. he was projected third in the event.

Ok... no discussion at all today. I guess that shows how much interest there is in this meet on these boards.

Well, if anyone cares, the Harvard men underperformed in the sprints while Princeton overperformed across the board. I calculate that Harvard only has a single point lead in the team competition over Princeton. I could be wrong, as the middle distance events can always be a wild card (speed vs tactical).

Harvard - 161 (-4); day 1 score: 36; day 2 qualifiers: 4 in the 60, 1 in the 200, 1 in the 400, 3 in the 500, 2 in the mile, 2 in the high hurdles (14 total)

Princeton - 160 (+21); day 1 score: 34; day 2 qualifiers: 2 in the 60, 3 in the 200, 1 in the 500, 3 in the 800, 2 in the 1km, 4 in the mile, 2 in the high hurdles (17 total)

Cornell - 89.5 (-10); day 1 score: 23; day 2 qualifiers: 1 in the 200, 2 in the 400, 1 in the 500, 1 in the 800, 2 in the 1km, 2 in the mile, 2 in the high hurdles (11 total)

Dartmouth - 51 (-13); day 1 score: 2; day 2 qualifiers: 1 in the 60, 1 in the 400, 3 in the 1km

Brown - 47 (+11); day 1 score: 9; day 2 qualifiers: 1 in the 400, 1 in the 1km, 1 in the high hurdles

Columbia -42 (+5); day 1 score: 0; day 2 qualifiers: 2 in the 200, 1 in the 400, 1 in the 500, 2 in the 800

Penn - 40.5 (-11); day 1 score: 12; day 2 qualifiers: 1 in the 60, 1 in the 200, 1 in the 400, 2 in the 500, 1 in the 800, 1 in the 1km, 1 in the high hurdles

Yale - 29 (+1); day 1 score: 8; day 2 qualifiers: 1 in the 800, 1 in the 1km

Harvard women still have a good 19 point cushion over Princeton based on the Day 1 results and projected qualifiers for Day 2.

Good summary, thanks. It did seem like Princeton had the wind at their backs today across the board. Looks like relays might matter this year

Harvard men leads by 13 over Princeton going into the relays. On paper - Princeton could sweep the relays… Harvard has the 2nd best 4x4 but I’m not sure if they’re 4x8 or DMR chances. Blanks is reportedly to anchor the 4x8 (since it’s after the DMR, so I’m guessing it’s to let him rest up some after finishing the 5k).

but the final relay cards aren’t up on the live results website yet.
this is going to be fun…

Oooo Harvard is taking the DMR seriously. got Iverson going first and blanks anchoring.

So does anyone besides C/M runner have any perspective on what happened in the men's 4x8? Did Harvard get screwed?

Harvard lost the team title to Princeton by 1pt: 164-163

Princeton got a lot of good luck, including not getting DQed from the 4x8 as their finished third leg impeded the Harvard anchor in the exchange zone (Princeton didn’t leave the track after exchanging the baton and the Harvard guy ran into him, crashing to the ground. The teams were about a step apart going into the exchange). Harvard filed a protest but officials didn’t decide a DQ (idk why, not enough evidence?) I wonder how it played on the web stream

Looked to me like the H kid just plain ran into the P kid. It was pretty typical exchange zone chaos and the H kid just didn’t make it through very well. The runners were too close for the P runner to clear the track, so it’s the outgoing runner’s job to make his way through (barring intentional blocking, which didn’t happen).

Henz looked to clear.y obstruct a P runner in the mile and got away with it so H shouldn’t complain too much.

MVPs:
Female field - Stephanie Ratcliffe (H), broke conference &meet record in WT
Male field - Kenny Ikeji (H), WT threw some of the best marks in the nation I believe
Female track - Maia Ramsden (H) won 1k and mile
Male track - Tomas Kersulis (Cor) won 200 and 500

sorry for spelling names wrong

What a men's finish.

I'm proud of Harvard for GOING FOR IT. To have Blanks and Iverson to 5k/3k/DMR is epic. No one did that in the 10 years I was coaching. That's taking me back nearly 30 years Army/Navy days. Didn't Jason Stewart do that - and he came up just a little short as my romomate (Scott Anderson ) outkicked him in the DMR to win the team title for Princeton?

I only watched the relays. While I was waiting for them to start though, I rewound and went back to the men's mile to see how that played out.. I noticed how hard Henz was fighting for 3rd. I was like, "Harvard is tough now. Gibby really has them caring about this meet."

So they should hold their heads high for putting upn epic battle.

Now Harvard would have won- ceratinly at least died - if they don't drop the stick in the 4 x 800. To imply that Princeton should be DQd is wrong.

Now since there was talk of DQs, I thought it was posible there would be a protest. In fact, I filmed it on my phone and sent it to two friends of mine and they said, "No way should there be a DQ."

No DQ was the right call.

The Princeton guy handed off the baton just in front of the Harvard guy. The Princeton guy is exhausted and literally had taken 2 steps. He hadn't had time to leave the track yet. He stayed in lane 2 throughout. Henz of Harvard actally got the stick in lane 4. Instead of taking the stick and running in a straight line, instead he slams down and rams into the Princeton guy in lane 2.

Contrast how Harvard does the exchange as to how the Dartmouth guy on the outside of Harvard does the exchange. Gets it, runs straight for a while and then comes in.

Here is the video of it. You can slow it down and watch it at .25 or .50 speed.

Thats not a DQ. If anything it's a dangerous move by Henz.

Now Princeton has won 8 in a row. When I was coaching at Cornell, we won 8 in a row outdoors. I came up with a stat saying that was the greatest run in Ivy League history in any NCAA men's sport that all 8 ivies contest. So that rules out rowing (not NCAA sport), wrestling (not all 8 teams do it) and it also ruled out some lacrosse runs of co-titles.

I can't find the list of all-time ivy champions anymore online so I don't know if that's still the record.

Fun meet.

Looking back at the projections from the other day. Harvard had a good meet. They were projected to score 170 and they scored 163. If they don't drop the stick, they probably score 167 or 165. Princeton just scored way more than projected.

Thank God there wasn't a tie. If its a tie, whoever wins the 4 x 400 should be the winner is my belief.

our victory was stolen

As a former Heps participant, Princeton should have been DQ'd.

Blanks won 3 and 5 k

I was sitting at the finish line for Day 2. me and the other people who were on those bleachers were wondering why that 4x8 collision didn’t result in a DQ since we were right next to it happening. I appreciate the breakdown from people who are more familiar with 4x8 racing. Im still saddened that that collision cost Harvard the title.

I was told that Henz is physically ok though, but I think he’s done for the season as he likely didn’t make the NCAA cut.

Slow track, right? Becuase Kersulis's times in the 200 and 500 were a whole lot slower than what he has posted in the 400.

Yes, it’s a 200m non banked track

Did you watch the video? If anyone should have been DQd, it would have been Henz. It didn't result in a DQ because it takes more than 1 stride for a relay runner to leave the track.

Back to Jason Stewart, I just got off the phone with Scott Anderon. Indeed in 1994, Stewart of Army was much like Blanks today. Back when 8:00 was fast, Stewart crushed the field in the 3k in like 8 flat, then he front ran and destroyed everyone in the 5k running in the 13:40s or 13:50s. Then he anchored the DMR. Got the stick in the lead but my rommate Scott Anderson, who was sick in the open 3k the day before and thought he might have been lapped by Stewart, just sat on him. It's so so much harder to be running DMR anchor tired than then you ran just the 3k the day before.

Weldon's junior year he had the lead on the DMR anchor but ended up not scoring as he was tired from the mile final.