HARVARD PUTS THREE MEN SUB 4!!! More impressive than Washington for sure!

Oh, yes, you are right, nobody cares, except for veterinarians, architects, business people, engineers and others. And Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc., do have separate business schools.

They’re grad, not undergrad schools

It’s good to have the option to attend an undergraduate school for business, architecture, nursing, etc.

I am reminded that in much (all?) of Europe, a student can specialize in medicine starting at what I think is equivalent to freshman year of a US university and to earn a medical degree this way faster than in the US. Sounds good to me!

Not MIT. MIT offers a BS in Management, a BS in Finance, and BS in Business Analytics from the Sloan School of Management, as well as minors in those three disciplines.

I don't have insider info on how smart elite caliber athletes need to be to get into Harvard. But my senior year of HS (2006), a standout lacrosse player made it known that the coach at Yale had told him they'd find a spot for him if he could score a 1200 on the SAT. So I wouldn't assume everyone at Harvard/Yale is an academic superstar. And if 15% of the incoming class is recruited athletes [0], you have to make things passable for those kids, or else parents get mad...

None are the traditional “business” degree though.
I think any degree other than Econ, math, or CS is dumb, but that’s my opinion. Except if it’s maybe physics (or finance from a school like MIT), Citadel/Jane Street/etc or Carlyle/KKR/etc, your resume is weakened significantly.

Top academic school in the country? I graduated from a mid-major, with a 3.2 GPA. Sat next to a Harvard grad for USATF Level 2 school. Outscored the Harvard grad by 10 points on every test. Ivy Leagues are overrated.

Only 3% of students scored below 30 on the ACT.

and we all know their demographics

n = 1. That's not much of a sample size, is it?

I like Princeton in a DMR but I'm biased.

As a Princeton alum, albeit one who is a big fan of Gibby and Blanks (he's somehow related to my parents best friends), let me chime in here with some facts.

1) Gibby gets amazing recruits.

Graham Blanks ran 13:27 before he even enrolled in college. Henz ran 3:38 before he even enrolled in college. That makes both of them the #1 recruit in the entire NCAA for their event in the year they showed up.

Can someone tell me what is impressive about either of them breaking four? If they weren't breaking 4:00 that would be a story.

To say they don't have 'the most talented recruits' is absurd. No other team in the country has two recruits that good.

Gibby is a very good coach and he's not screwing them up like they used to. Back when I was coaching, Harvard got a sub-4 HS guy from the UK, Adam Cotton, who ended up doing next to nothing in college.

2) Have we forgotten Princeton had 3 sub-4 guys last year and 5 at 4:01.00 or faster? Same Ellis, who was 3rd at NCAAs, ran just 4:11 in HS.

3) Harvard appears to be the favorite for indoor Heps. Princeton had ivy league champs in 400, 800, LJ, SP all graduate and the best athlete maybe in ivy league history - Andrei Iosivas - isn't doing track as he's getting ready for the NFL draft.

You can score the meet here:

How old is Blanks? I saw a photo of him on Strava, and he looks like he's 22 but he's apparently class of '25.

Since you are clearly (!!!) trolling I will not take the bait. Comparisons like these are meaningless anyway.

It looks like you actually didn't take many LA Classes at Cornell, because that sentence did not flow

Rojo, you say blanks ran 13:27 before coming to Gibby, but he did that while following Gibby's training plan and training with the Harvard runners in Flagstaff. Blanks was already on a big improvement curve his senior year of high school, but he really didn't go crazy until he started doing Gibby's training

Yes. But some posters wanted to make the feat seem bigger than it is by claiming that Harvard is limited to only 36 ACT type kids. That just isn't true. And distance runners on average are smarter than most kids. Some may say that Harvard has an easier time recruiting due to the name recognition.

Black: 30+ ACT / 1300+ SAT
Hispanic: 34+ ACT / 1500+ SAT
White: 35+ ACT / 1540+ SAT
Asian: 36 ACT / 1570+ SAT

These are what you need to not be originally cut. Test optional changed this some (along with more affirmative action), but this is what you need. Not surprisingly, it lines up well with IQ

If you're not an athlete, of course. Should have specified that