OAC “6 guys all at or under 3:58” in Boulder in a workout?!

xczvxzcv wrote:

Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

xczvxzcv wrote:

Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

king999 wrote:

xczvxzcv wrote:

Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

Just to be clear on Kip Keino, his all time PR was AT Mexico city in 3:34.x, he never ran faster, he gets ZERO conversion..he lived his whole life at altitude, his next nearest faster mark ever is 3:36.x. That (3:34.89)is his PR and that includes everything including mile conversions down. Ryun ran 3:37.89 at Mex City and NO ONE alive is giving him anywhere near 7 seconds..He ran the event tons of times and his All Time PR at sea level or anywhere was 3:33.x, none of his miles convert faster than that 3:31 either. And I am a huge Jim Ryun fan. Keino hardly ever, if ever, beat him anywhere else when Ryun was right.

Conversions are funny and mostly used when they suit anyone's argument of the day. Not you xczvxzcy...you are an incredibly knowledgeable poster!