Heidisch should have been DQed rather than getting a solo run. His coach should not have lobbied for it. This is an example.of why people dislike the school.
I mean, when you see your athlete get punched repeatedly during a race, you're likely going to lobby on his behalf.
Most coaches would not have. He pushed the kid into the rail. He could have broken an ankle. Both deserved a DQ.
Also, if you slow that down to .25, you can see that, yes, he cut in a bit early, got pushed a little, was moving his way toward lane two to avoid more contact, and then he got punched in the back twice, causing him to fall over. Acting like he did this superbly malicious thing during that race, when he's the one who got hit repeatedly, is stupid...he's a high school kid; they are going to make mistakes negotiating in a pack sometimes. Was what he did before the hits worthy of a DQ...eh, I don't think so. It happened early in the race and would have been just incidental if it hadn't been for the punches.
I watched it a couple times now. Heideisch was ahead of the kid when the contact happened. If anything, the kid on the inside initiated the contact because he was trying to pass Heidesch on the inside.
You can't shove into another runner's shoulder unless you're right next to them, not ahead of them.
Heidesch rammed right into the other guy's shoulder, trying to shove him off the track on the infield. It was an obviously egregious foul down on purpose.
He's a very good runner, but he should have been DQ'd, and I hope he doesn't feel entitled to do things like that.
*done on purpose.
It’s not uncommon to move in ever so slightly to cause people to have to step out of bounds or slow down. It’s douchey but is never DQed if it’s gradual
At least from that angle they looked close enough to even to me. Heideisch tried to move into a spot that was occupied. Runners need to learn to respect when someone else has the inside position regardless of whether the game plan calls for moving in.
Of course the punch wasn’t called for.
Well, he does attend Dowling, the same school as Karissa Schweizer and Caitlyn Clark. They all earned it but they sort of don't like when things don't go their way.
If you watch in slow motion, the City High kid pushed Heidesch from behind initially (I didn't catch this the first time I watched it). He stumbled a bit toward lane 2 and then moved back and ended up shouldering the City High kid, and that is when the punches happened. You can clearly see that Heidesch was slightly ahead of the City High kid when all the jostling started if you slow it down to .25.
So 3 HS guys in the history of US track and Field have run faster than 8:42.6 indoor (none in 2022).
5 HS guys ran sub 4 in 2022…
Fast but careless wrote:
You can't shove into another runner's shoulder unless you're right next to them, not ahead of them.
Heidesch rammed right into the other guy's shoulder, trying to shove him off the track on the infield. It was an obviously egregious foul down on purpose.
He's a very good runner, but he should have been DQ'd, and I hope he doesn't feel entitled to do things like that.
Clearly Heidesch should have been DQ'd. The other runner didn't do anything wrong, self defense should be allowed. Heidesch's full body check had the potential to do more harm than the other guy's slaps (I wouldn't call them punches).
Heidesch took a better dive than any soccer player in the world cup. He was faking.
fdasfdsa wrote:
If you watch in slow motion, the City High kid pushed Heidesch from behind initially (I didn't catch this the first time I watched it). He stumbled a bit toward lane 2 and then moved back and ended up shouldering the City High kid, and that is when the punches happened. You can clearly see that Heidesch was slightly ahead of the City High kid when all the jostling started if you slow it down to .25.
being a millimeter ahead DOES NOT give you permission to shove people down. The "right of way" in this situation actually depends on who is the innermost, thus City High was entitled to his position. If Heidesch impeded City High at all, it is an instant DQ.
What you seem to be saying is that if you are a millimeter ahead, you can push anyone off the track with impunity. That is false but you said it 3 times in 3 separate posts. I suspect you are closely connected with Heidesch, either himself or a family member or a close friend.
I'm not connected to Heidesch, though I do live in the Des Moines area. I just remember people posting about this situation last year, and they were making it seem like Heidesch should be banned from the sport for life for jostling during an 800. I don't think he was the one who initially initiated the contact (especially after I slowed the video down), and he got punched in the back twice, and people were calling him the dirty runner, not the City High kid. I thought people's react was strange, and I still do. Pretending like high school kids should be pros at negotiating in a pack is stupid. It is almost like nobody has ever run in a race before...and I've never seen someone DQ'ed for what ends up amounting to inconsequential contact early on during a race.
fdasfdsa wrote:
I'm not connected to Heidesch, though I do live in the Des Moines area. I just remember people posting about this situation last year, and they were making it seem like Heidesch should be banned from the sport for life for jostling during an 800. I don't think he was the one who initially initiated the contact (especially after I slowed the video down), and he got punched in the back twice, and people were calling him the dirty runner, not the City High kid. I thought people's react was strange, and I still do. Pretending like high school kids should be pros at negotiating in a pack is stupid. It is almost like nobody has ever run in a race before...and I've never seen someone DQ'ed for what ends up amounting to inconsequential contact early on during a race.
So we're talking about this again.
You see moves like Heidesch did a lot, it's cheap but it never results in a DQ. It was probably more a mistake than intentionally trying to do something dirty, unless Heidesch has a history of this.
Punches always result in a DQ. The City kid lost control of his emotions. It sucks for him because he was cut off, but you can't start throwing punches on the track. You have to just suck it up and keep running, the only way he could have got back at Heidesch was to beat him. Hopefully he learned from this.
Sucks for Heidesch that his great two mile is being overshadowed by something unrelated that happened last year.
If you and I sprint at 17 MPH right next to a cliff and I start to push you, I think you are warranted to do anything possible to protect yourself.
hi dish wrote:
If you and I sprint at 17 MPH right next to a cliff and I start to push you, I think you are warranted to do anything possible to protect yourself.
Lol. What a stupid analogy. they were not near "a cliff!"
And he was in no ways "protecting" himself he was viciously retaliating for being leaned into/ slightly shoulder checked.
He punched the kid in the back of the head/ neck. A cheap Sucker Punch. And getting hit in the back of the head is more dangerous than many realize. Did you see the very large NBA player Wagner getting knocked out from a single not even very hard looking punch to the back of the head a few weeks ago? Look it up.
Maybe Heidesch should have been DQ'd also but the other kid should have been suspended from further meets that season.
Isn't there an inherent risk acknowledged with running close to the rail? Seems to me, if you choose that strategy, especially when trying to pass on the inside, you should understand that you might be at risk of running into the rail.